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> It officially discourages actual harassment of the people it insults. I imagine the moderators giving the same "No, please, don't do this" with the exact sam

> It officially discourages actual harassment of the people it insults. I imagine the moderators giving the same "No, please, don't do this" with the exact same level of authority as Willy Wonka telling people "no don't": https://youtu.be/W9ZD3_ppcPE https://youtu.be/W9ZD3_ppcPE It's a bullshit, paper-thin "policy" that exists only for KF to cover their own asses. Let's make one thing clear, the only purpose for publishing someone's home address, place of employment, phone number, etc. (aka, "doxxing") is to condone harassment of that individual. Any claims otherwise are completely bad faith and bullshit. Nobody believes you. Stop claiming "Oh, but this information is publicly available!" If KF truly discouraged harassment, they'd do what every other sane site does and immediately delete the post and ban the user that posted it.

gorwell 3y ago
Do you have any links to those forum posts?
- parl_match 3y ago
  go on kf and click a few, there's a ton on there. or just look at their _entire forum_ about a trans-woman named christine chandler, in which they document not only her address, but even have photos of her at walmart, game stores, etc
  - richbell 3y ago
    > go on kf and click a few, there's a ton on there. or just look at their _entire forum_ about a trans-woman named christine chandler, in which they document not only her address, but even have photos of her at walmart, game stores, etc Chris Chan has been a notorious and divisive figure online long before the existence of the Kiwi Farms. They are arguably one of the most well-known Internet personalities. Merely referring to them as "a trans woman" throws away a massive amount of context why Kiwi Farms (and many other sites) seems so obsessed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPtLvxO8hs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPtLvxO8hs
    - parl_match 3y ago
      that is such a circular argument. they are a microcelebrity who has spent the majority of their life being intensely tracked and harassed by a small but dedicated community, the majority of which is on kf.
      - chonkerz 3y ago
        The original name of kiwifarms was "CWCki", and CWC are the initials of their first victim. The entire premise of the site was harassment of a severely autistic person to trigger "funny" reactions. It's beyond gross.
    - freejazz 3y ago
      What does the person being famous before the site existing have to do with harassment? Also, what does labeling the person as trans (or anything else) have to do with harassment?
      - parl_match 3y ago
        May I ask what your point or intent of these questions is?
        freejazz 3y ago
        To understand why the poster is asserting irrelevant materials. Is it their confusion or are they being purposefully obtuse. May I ask why you asked me?
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  Of course not. Linking to them here would probably be considered doxxing by HN's rules and get me banned here. These threads exist. They're easy to find. I've seen them before and they're absolutely abhorrent. Another commenter said they checked themselves > Edit: I have now accessed the site and confirm a culture of doxxing, with 3 of the 10 opening posts proudly having "doxx" sections. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37327204 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37327204 > Edit: I went through the hassle of figuring out how to get on that website. I can confirm 2 or the five pages I checked had doxx info on them and agree that kiwifarms does not seem to have a policy against doxxing and in fact has a culture that promotes it. This is bad. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37327642 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37327642 Anyone who claims that KiwiFarms is not a site for harassing and doxxing people has done zero research and is trusting some lying "news" source that tells them something else. I really wish I could understand the mentality of thinking otherwise. Are you really so hung up on "thinking for yourself" that you automatically assume anything said by the mainstream media is a lie? Skepticism is great and I highly encourage it, but automatic knee-jerk rejection is not skepticism, it's basically setting you up for falling for reverse psychology. Just because the mainstream media says one thing while fringe reporters say something else does not automatically mean the mainstream is lying.
  - concordDance 3y ago
    > Anyone who claims that KiwiFarms is not a site for harassing and doxxing people has done zero research and is trusting some lying "news" source that tells them something else. Two notes: 1. Kiwifarms, by volume, based on the sampling of posts I've read today, is first and foremost a site for talking about, insulting and mocking people. The harassing and doxxing do not seem to have focus and it would require a relatively minor change (banning and removing doxxing) in order for it to claim innocence of harassment and doxxing. 2. "Does more than zero research" is a very high bar that few meet. The number of people I've found on the internet who cite primary sources, government stats/papers and scientific papers is less than 0% to the nearest tenth of a percent. While its true that sometimes research can take half an hour or more, so often it takes five minutes (like checking out stats on the uk gov website regarding criminal convictions of British Pakistanis for having sex with under 16 year olds to settle the myth of Pakistani child rape). Ideally everyone would do research and cite real sources, in practice less than one in a thousand do.
TeeMassive 3y ago
> It's a bullshit, paper-thin "policy" that exists only for KF to cover their own asses. That's only your opinion. What OP says about KF is still correct.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  https://kiwifarms.st/threads/why-host-dox.130254/ https://kiwifarms.st/threads/why-host-dox.130254/ No, it really isn't.
  - TeeMassive 3y ago
    Addresses are public information
    - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
      And I addressed this in my original comment. > Let's make one thing clear, the only purpose for [doxxing] is to condone harassment of that individual. Any claims otherwise are completely bad faith and bullshit. Nobody believes you. Stop claiming "Oh, but this information is publicly available!" Yes, I acknowledge it's all public, but that doesn't explain why you would want to aggregate that information and post it in a public forum and make it easier to acquire. What purpose does it achieve?
parl_match 3y ago
For what it's worth, there are many sites that are just about posting people's PII. Sites like doxbin, which seem to be up with impunity. I'm surprised KF got got, while DB sticks around - DB seems overall worse to me considering that it _is_ a site that is expressly created for harassment
- chonkerz 3y ago
  Hopefully the cops take down that site
concordDance 3y ago
> the only purpose for publishing someone's home address, place of employment, phone number, etc. I do not recall seeing those in the threads I looked at (which all have an opening post collecting information about the individual). Can you confirm what proportion, if any, of main posts had that info? Can you also confirm that KF does not have a policy of removing that info? I can't access kiwifarms at the moment to check, but I strongly suspect that information is in obscure posts by individuals and their "community" as a whole does not condone it and it is removed where obvious. Edit: I have now accessed the site and confirm a culture of doxxing, with 3 of the 10 opening posts proudly having "doxx" sections.
- chonkerz 3y ago
  You aren't looking very hard
  - concordDance 3y ago
    Give me some numbers and methodology. You apparently have access to the site, pick the ten top threads about people and tell us how many many post addresses, phone numbers or emails on the first page. Edit: I went through the hassle of figuring out how to get on that website. I can confirm 2 or the five pages I checked had doxx info on them and agree that kiwifarms does not seem to have a policy against doxxing and in fact has a culture that promotes it. This is bad.
    - foldr 3y ago
      So, you learned what you could have learned from reading the Wikipedia article or any number of other secondary sources (which you were earlier insinuating could not be trusted on these points). I'm glad that you've proved to your own satisfaction that Kiwi Farms is exactly as awful as almost everyone consistently says that it is, but there might be a lesson here about not being irrationally skeptical of 'mainstream' sources.
      - concordDance 3y ago
thrwaway1234567 3y ago
Users of the site have actually been punished for calling out people breaking the "rules".

gorwell 3y ago

Do you have any links to those forum posts?

parl_match 3y ago
go on kf and click a few, there's a ton on there. or just look at their _entire forum_ about a trans-woman named christine chandler, in which they document not only her address, but even have photos of her at walmart, game stores, etc
- richbell 3y ago
  > go on kf and click a few, there's a ton on there. or just look at their _entire forum_ about a trans-woman named christine chandler, in which they document not only her address, but even have photos of her at walmart, game stores, etc Chris Chan has been a notorious and divisive figure online long before the existence of the Kiwi Farms. They are arguably one of the most well-known Internet personalities. Merely referring to them as "a trans woman" throws away a massive amount of context why Kiwi Farms (and many other sites) seems so obsessed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPtLvxO8hs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPtLvxO8hs
  - parl_match 3y ago
    that is such a circular argument. they are a microcelebrity who has spent the majority of their life being intensely tracked and harassed by a small but dedicated community, the majority of which is on kf.
    - chonkerz 3y ago
      The original name of kiwifarms was "CWCki", and CWC are the initials of their first victim. The entire premise of the site was harassment of a severely autistic person to trigger "funny" reactions. It's beyond gross.
  - freejazz 3y ago
    What does the person being famous before the site existing have to do with harassment? Also, what does labeling the person as trans (or anything else) have to do with harassment?
    - parl_match 3y ago
      May I ask what your point or intent of these questions is?
      - freejazz 3y ago
        To understand why the poster is asserting irrelevant materials. Is it their confusion or are they being purposefully obtuse. May I ask why you asked me?
Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
Of course not. Linking to them here would probably be considered doxxing by HN's rules and get me banned here. These threads exist. They're easy to find. I've seen them before and they're absolutely abhorrent. Another commenter said they checked themselves > Edit: I have now accessed the site and confirm a culture of doxxing, with 3 of the 10 opening posts proudly having "doxx" sections. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37327204 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37327204 > Edit: I went through the hassle of figuring out how to get on that website. I can confirm 2 or the five pages I checked had doxx info on them and agree that kiwifarms does not seem to have a policy against doxxing and in fact has a culture that promotes it. This is bad. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37327642 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37327642 Anyone who claims that KiwiFarms is not a site for harassing and doxxing people has done zero research and is trusting some lying "news" source that tells them something else. I really wish I could understand the mentality of thinking otherwise. Are you really so hung up on "thinking for yourself" that you automatically assume anything said by the mainstream media is a lie? Skepticism is great and I highly encourage it, but automatic knee-jerk rejection is not skepticism, it's basically setting you up for falling for reverse psychology. Just because the mainstream media says one thing while fringe reporters say something else does not automatically mean the mainstream is lying.
- concordDance 3y ago
  > Anyone who claims that KiwiFarms is not a site for harassing and doxxing people has done zero research and is trusting some lying "news" source that tells them something else. Two notes: 1. Kiwifarms, by volume, based on the sampling of posts I've read today, is first and foremost a site for talking about, insulting and mocking people. The harassing and doxxing do not seem to have focus and it would require a relatively minor change (banning and removing doxxing) in order for it to claim innocence of harassment and doxxing. 2. "Does more than zero research" is a very high bar that few meet. The number of people I've found on the internet who cite primary sources, government stats/papers and scientific papers is less than 0% to the nearest tenth of a percent. While its true that sometimes research can take half an hour or more, so often it takes five minutes (like checking out stats on the uk gov website regarding criminal convictions of British Pakistanis for having sex with under 16 year olds to settle the myth of Pakistani child rape). Ideally everyone would do research and cite real sources, in practice less than one in a thousand do.

TeeMassive 3y ago

> It's a bullshit, paper-thin "policy" that exists only for KF to cover their own asses. That's only your opinion. What OP says about KF is still correct.

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/why-host-dox.130254/ https://kiwifarms.st/threads/why-host-dox.130254/ No, it really isn't.
- TeeMassive 3y ago
  Addresses are public information
  - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
    And I addressed this in my original comment. > Let's make one thing clear, the only purpose for [doxxing] is to condone harassment of that individual. Any claims otherwise are completely bad faith and bullshit. Nobody believes you. Stop claiming "Oh, but this information is publicly available!" Yes, I acknowledge it's all public, but that doesn't explain why you would want to aggregate that information and post it in a public forum and make it easier to acquire. What purpose does it achieve?

parl_match 3y ago

For what it's worth, there are many sites that are just about posting people's PII. Sites like doxbin, which seem to be up with impunity. I'm surprised KF got got, while DB sticks around - DB seems overall worse to me considering that it _is_ a site that is expressly created for harassment

chonkerz 3y ago
Hopefully the cops take down that site

concordDance 3y ago

> the only purpose for publishing someone's home address, place of employment, phone number, etc. I do not recall seeing those in the threads I looked at (which all have an opening post collecting information about the individual). Can you confirm what proportion, if any, of main posts had that info? Can you also confirm that KF does not have a policy of removing that info? I can't access kiwifarms at the moment to check, but I strongly suspect that information is in obscure posts by individuals and their "community" as a whole does not condone it and it is removed where obvious. Edit: I have now accessed the site and confirm a culture of doxxing, with 3 of the 10 opening posts proudly having "doxx" sections.

chonkerz 3y ago
You aren't looking very hard
- concordDance 3y ago
  Give me some numbers and methodology. You apparently have access to the site, pick the ten top threads about people and tell us how many many post addresses, phone numbers or emails on the first page. Edit: I went through the hassle of figuring out how to get on that website. I can confirm 2 or the five pages I checked had doxx info on them and agree that kiwifarms does not seem to have a policy against doxxing and in fact has a culture that promotes it. This is bad.
  - foldr 3y ago
    So, you learned what you could have learned from reading the Wikipedia article or any number of other secondary sources (which you were earlier insinuating could not be trusted on these points). I'm glad that you've proved to your own satisfaction that Kiwi Farms is exactly as awful as almost everyone consistently says that it is, but there might be a lesson here about not being irrationally skeptical of 'mainstream' sources.
    - concordDance 3y ago

thrwaway1234567 3y ago

Users of the site have actually been punished for calling out people breaking the "rules".