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Neat! But why not respect the users choice everywhere on earth?
by djbusby 3y ago
Neat! But why not respect the users choice everywhere on earth?
- AraceliHarker 3y agoMicrosoft is determined to make users use Edge + Bing.
- baz00 3y agoFor lack of a better response, as a customer I'd like to tell them to fuck off because both are terrible user experiences. It's like wading through trash.
- nottheengineer 3y agoTelling them to fuck off means using linux. It's a hard step at first, but I highly recommend giving it a shot. After learning the basics, I can't go back to windows anymore because I know how a proper OS works and can see how terrible windows actually is as an operating system, not just in terms of user experience. That alone keeps me motivated to push through any difficulties I face with linux.
- baz00 3y agoOr a Mac.
- zb3 3y agoThis is a very good thing for Linux on desktop. I wish MS was way more aggressive here, hopefully it's just the begining.
- Biganon 3y agoIt's not. The huge majority of users simply doesn't care.
- aqme28 3y agoRegulations that were passed in the EU but not e.g. the US.
- capableweb 3y agoThe announcement is talking about EEA rather than EU though, which smells a bit weird. I'm not sure what regulation they're trying to resolve the conflict with that is not EU wide but rather EEA and targets the usage of default browsers.
- pavlov 3y agoThe EEA is practically “EU + a handful of countries that apply EU rules but don’t get to participate in decision making for historical reasons”. That’s why Britain didn’t even consider joining the EEA after they left the Union. From their point of view, it would still be the regulatory burden of EU membership without most of the benefits they enjoyed as a full member. When they’d decided to take the economic impact of leaving the free trade area, it wouldn’t really make sense to stay on worse terms than they already had.
- nicbou 3y agoEEA countries get freedom of movement with the EU, among other things. An EEA citizen can work in an EU country without any other requirements.
- aqme28 3y agoThere are some benefits. The article that we're commenting about, for example.
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- beardyw 3y agoYes, getting Microsoft's disrespect was worth it.
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- Mistletoe 3y agoWe don’t police tech monopolies in the USA, they are actually in charge because all of Congress owns the SP500, which is dominated by tech. We have to find a way out of this dystopia spiral.
- Broken_Hippo 3y agoThat's not quite it. The US doesn't, in general, give any extra rights or protections to its people without a bit of force, and then one is lucky. Hence, no real consumer protection (which would include this). No signing of a thing giving rights for children, and so on. The rights folks legally have were grand enough 200 years ago, but have become substandard over time with little upgrading.
- alex7734 3y agoIt wasn't that long ago when Microsoft got sued (in the US) for not allowing people to uninstall and replace Internet Explorer. Something has changed since then that has made US anti-trust much "lazier".
- teddyh 3y agoAs I recall, there was an election during the trial, where Bill Clinton was replaced by George Bush, whose administration was not as keen to prosecute monopolists.
- orwin 3y agoI had a call yesterday night from a West Virginian friend, and surprisingly the US just extanded worker protection? Or something, at least that was the first time he was exited by US politics since I met him.
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- lnxg33k1 3y agoBecause other places have thriving tech industry which can’t waste time checking what browser to run
- hardware2win 3y agoNot supporting major browsers doesnt feel like "thriving tech industry" Sounds like cheap ass startups or poorly executing corpos
- lnxg33k1 3y agoYeah mine was a citation of those saying EU hasn’t big tech due to regulations
- cwales95 3y agoYour argument doesn’t hold at all. The functionality is already there, so ask yourself, why are they depriving people outside of the EU this functionality when it’s already there?
- lnxg33k1 3y agoMine was a sarcastic joke, but to reply seriously to your questions, it's not about the effort to implement the functionality imho, it's more about missed revenue, Microsoft is using Edge as a way to monetize windows users traffic, so this is going to affect somehow their profits
- cwales95 3y agoApologies, I totally missed the sarcasm. And I get what you mea. Personally sick of companies forcing things on users for the sake of profit.
- Barrin92 3y agoBecause companies only ever respect user choice for two reasons. 1. it coincidentally makes them money, 2. they're forced to by government. In the US it's interesting to see that state governments are increasingly pushing on several issues (albeit sometimes for dubious reasons), but the federal government is somehow chronically AFK.
- baz00 3y agoBecause they do not respect you as a user anywhere out of choice.
- justapassenger 3y ago$
- giancarlostoro 3y agoI love Microsoft, but I hate whoever is controlling all these awful choices for their OS. Lets be real its probably a marketing team trying to sell office and whatever else. I just want a version of Windows for actual professionals with no nonsense on it. Slim it down, make it feel like I'm on a 2023 machine with the minimalism of like idk Windows XP or Windows 7. No nonsense.
- tmpX7dMeXU 3y agoYou can’t “love Microsoft” as if it is a homogeneous entity whilst carving out sections of it for the purpose of attributing everything you’re against. Not only is this simply a sign that Microsoft is a bloated old tech company like a bunch of others, looking to make more money, but it is also consistent with a pattern of Microsoft’s behaviour over the last few decades.
- giancarlostoro 3y agoI can appreciate the good utilities they build can I not? I love Visual Studio, and I love .NET which went way more open source than I thought it would, I for sure assumed it would be licensed under the MS-PL which is far less demanding than the GPL but not as a free as MIT, but no, they went straight for the MIT license. https://github.com/dotnet https://github.com/dotnet Every single repo is MIT licensed. I also appreciate VS Code, I know some people will still find some reason to hate on it, but its blatantly clear that it has taken the industry, the number of times I meet a developer who loves using it for programming is much higher than the number of developers I used to see using literally any other range of editors, it all seems to be uniform towards VS code. If you take away the OS, Microsoft still builds amazing products. I also enjoy Azure more than I do thinking about what half of AWS services mean or do. I seriously have to google a service every time someone brings one up just to remind myself what its for. I rarely do that with Microsoft services, some of it is I'm used to them, but some services have blatantly obvious names as well.
- Jowsey 3y agoI'm in the same boat; I want to love Microsoft, but it seems internally split into two very opposing groups with very different ways of thinking. I swear by a lot of their developer tooling and open source work but abhor the Windows ecosystem
- crest 3y agoMicrosoft decided they would rather to extract more value from their captive users than the users are will to hand over if the law doesn't make it too expensive.
- Karellen 3y agoBecause fuck you, that's why
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoI can tell you that it's because in the US, some people have vested interest in a dysfunctional government.
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- Lalabadie 3y agoYes, that changelog entry is basically "We will do the decent thing only when forced to."
- bux93 3y agoTo be fair, they also don't respect your choice in the EU, it's just that they can't legally act on their disrespect in this particular way.
- LegitShady 3y agothe goal isn't respect, the goal is to leverage their position to try to trick you into something against your interest but in theirs.