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Mmmh, 5 years warranty, but if it uses android, I guess in 3 years the phone is going to slow down for a mysterious reason. What about in 6 years? By the way,

by jokoon 3y ago

Mmmh, 5 years warranty, but if it uses android, I guess in 3 years the phone is going to slow down for a mysterious reason. What about in 6 years? By the way, I wish there was a trustworthy, technical investigation or study on why android slow down after a few years, what's the root cause, and how it can be justified.

jeroenhd 3y ago
Android slowdown is generally related to three things: shifting expectations because you can use the same outdated phone for seven years while apps get more demanding, flash storage and the battery wearing down, and half a decade of apps spawning listeners and messaging hooks on boot. Deleting a bunch of unused apps will quickly bring a slow Android system back to life. You can usually avoid this problem by looking for paid apps that aren't full of trackers and ads. If you're dealing with a slow phone, there is a wide variety of dev tools you can use to see what's going on. dumpsys will show you things like timers and memory allocations. It can also show you global or app specific battery drain statistics. Procstats will show you what apps used how much CPU over a specified period of time. Battery Historian will let you drill down into battery drain issues. In practice, you just need to remove that weather app you installed three years ago, though.
- jokoon 3y ago
  I have always been very careful with all of this, I'm very picky with the app I install, and I uninstall things very easily and regularly. I rarely install a new app unless I'm going to use it. I had several phones that turned to a halt for no real good reason. Maybe it's the fault of the phone manufacturer and how it installs android, but to me it is still somewhat the fault of Android as a system and how it's designed. I have never used an Apple phone.
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    I can't say my experience matches yours. What did it for me was using someone else's phone and realising how slow my phone has become in comparison, but that was mostly because of the advances in SoC technology. The phone was as fast as it ever was, everything around it just got a lot faster. Some apps have been rewritten from native code into Flutter/Jetpack Compose, heavily taxing the GPU (because modern phones, even cheap ones, have very powerful yet efficient GPUs in comparison to their predecessors); those run slower, but that's mostly only noticeable on older devices as newer devices get tested on. Then again, if I were to install the old APKs on my current phone, they would be blazing fast in comparison to their modern equivalent. Phones didn't need 6GB of RAM a few years ago and app developers have long stopped caring about performance, it seems. Downloading old APKs from apkmirror helps sometimes. When nothing else helps, factory resetting the phone can sometimes help but with modern Android I don't think that's much of an improvement anymore. I do have an old tablet with worn-down flash, but my OnePlus One still runs as fast as the day I got it (I think it may actually run faster because of ART upgrades?). It's no powerhouse by modern phone standards, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

by jokoon 3y ago

jeroenhd 3y ago

Android slowdown is generally related to three things: shifting expectations because you can use the same outdated phone for seven years while apps get more demanding, flash storage and the battery wearing down, and half a decade of apps spawning listeners and messaging hooks on boot. Deleting a bunch of unused apps will quickly bring a slow Android system back to life. You can usually avoid this problem by looking for paid apps that aren't full of trackers and ads. If you're dealing with a slow phone, there is a wide variety of dev tools you can use to see what's going on. dumpsys will show you things like timers and memory allocations. It can also show you global or app specific battery drain statistics. Procstats will show you what apps used how much CPU over a specified period of time. Battery Historian will let you drill down into battery drain issues. In practice, you just need to remove that weather app you installed three years ago, though.

jokoon 3y ago
I have always been very careful with all of this, I'm very picky with the app I install, and I uninstall things very easily and regularly. I rarely install a new app unless I'm going to use it. I had several phones that turned to a halt for no real good reason. Maybe it's the fault of the phone manufacturer and how it installs android, but to me it is still somewhat the fault of Android as a system and how it's designed. I have never used an Apple phone.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  I can't say my experience matches yours. What did it for me was using someone else's phone and realising how slow my phone has become in comparison, but that was mostly because of the advances in SoC technology. The phone was as fast as it ever was, everything around it just got a lot faster. Some apps have been rewritten from native code into Flutter/Jetpack Compose, heavily taxing the GPU (because modern phones, even cheap ones, have very powerful yet efficient GPUs in comparison to their predecessors); those run slower, but that's mostly only noticeable on older devices as newer devices get tested on. Then again, if I were to install the old APKs on my current phone, they would be blazing fast in comparison to their modern equivalent. Phones didn't need 6GB of RAM a few years ago and app developers have long stopped caring about performance, it seems. Downloading old APKs from apkmirror helps sometimes. When nothing else helps, factory resetting the phone can sometimes help but with modern Android I don't think that's much of an improvement anymore. I do have an old tablet with worn-down flash, but my OnePlus One still runs as fast as the day I got it (I think it may actually run faster because of ART upgrades?). It's no powerhouse by modern phone standards, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.