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After I've read about the stance of the Green Party of Germany, I've kinda started to agree with their strategy of closing nuclear plants and going coal, so tha

After I've read about the stance of the Green Party of Germany, I've kinda started to agree with their strategy of closing nuclear plants and going coal, so that everyone is pushed to fund renewables, nuclear is a temporary solution that slows everything else, but once you're on coal, then you need to move fast to renewables And since this particular plant has been given billions to stay open, nuclear also sucks investments that in case you're currently on coal, you can fully give to renewables

jrflowers 3y ago
The problem with energy production is a lack of coal plants. We’ve known this since the 19th century and it’s good to see various green parties finally understand that
nradov 3y ago
We can't fully move to renewables until we have sufficient grid scale storage. There are a variety of technologies which might work for that but none has proven to be economically viable yet. Batteries are still heavily constrained by manufacturing capacity and availability of raw materials.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  Batteries have improved dramatically. Grid scale storage looked like science fiction 20 years ago, it is already competitive for reinforcing the grid against short term power fluctuations, it may get a lot cheaper and widespread in the next 20 years but it is not a bird in the hand. Diablo Canyon is up and running right now. It took 10 years to build an AP1000 (state of the art reactor) at Voglte 3; two AP1000s have been built successfully at that site although two failed at Virgil C. Summer. Building a new NPP is an expensive and risky proposition that could take a long time to bear fruit, but keeping an old one running is a slam dunk and avoids all the delays that would come from getting permits for and building anything new be it power lines, PV arrays, wind farms, or battery farms.
polotics 3y ago
Wow. This is like a student thinking: I won't study now, because then when exam time comes, I will be more motivated to cram! New renewables (solar & wind, non hydro) running without cheap oil as input for production,deployment, and maintenance, have very uncertain energy return on energy invested.

jrflowers 3y ago

The problem with energy production is a lack of coal plants. We’ve known this since the 19th century and it’s good to see various green parties finally understand that

nradov 3y ago

We can't fully move to renewables until we have sufficient grid scale storage. There are a variety of technologies which might work for that but none has proven to be economically viable yet. Batteries are still heavily constrained by manufacturing capacity and availability of raw materials.

PaulHoule 3y ago
Batteries have improved dramatically. Grid scale storage looked like science fiction 20 years ago, it is already competitive for reinforcing the grid against short term power fluctuations, it may get a lot cheaper and widespread in the next 20 years but it is not a bird in the hand. Diablo Canyon is up and running right now. It took 10 years to build an AP1000 (state of the art reactor) at Voglte 3; two AP1000s have been built successfully at that site although two failed at Virgil C. Summer. Building a new NPP is an expensive and risky proposition that could take a long time to bear fruit, but keeping an old one running is a slam dunk and avoids all the delays that would come from getting permits for and building anything new be it power lines, PV arrays, wind farms, or battery farms.

polotics 3y ago

Wow. This is like a student thinking: I won't study now, because then when exam time comes, I will be more motivated to cram! New renewables (solar & wind, non hydro) running without cheap oil as input for production,deployment, and maintenance, have very uncertain energy return on energy invested.