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I'm surprised by the level of conspiracy-mongering present in the comments here already. Putin's revanchism started this entire military misadventure, there are
by knowaveragejoe 3y ago
I'm surprised by the level of conspiracy-mongering present in the comments here already. Putin's revanchism started this entire military misadventure, there are no if's, and's or but's about it. Sorry to say that sometimes the NYT and the US writ large are correct.
- pessimizer 3y ago[flagged]
- knowaveragejoe 3y agoIt's not that you're stupid, it's just that your standard of evidence you will accept around this crisis is embarrassingly low.
- mjfl 3y agoWe have a phone call recording of Victoria Nuland picking the president of Ukraine.
- ChumpGPT 3y agoI would like to hear it, please post it...
- knowaveragejoe 3y agoBy all means, produce the recording!
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- SanjayMehta 3y ago1. BBC transcript of the recording https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 2. Nuland acknowledging recording is genuine https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-26079591 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-26079591
- knowaveragejoe 3y agoNeither of these are "picking the next president of Ukraine", what you're seeing is how the sausage is made - every country has their interests.
- gaganyaan 3y agoWhat do you mean by "picking"?
- dang 3y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, and we ban accounts that post like this. Separately, and equally important: can you please stop using HN for ideological and political battle? It looks like you've been using HN primarily for this and that's another line at which we ban an account, regardless of what they're battling for or against. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- mjfl 3y agothere are really no comments here yet. Was this automated?
- knowaveragejoe 3y agoLooks like some of the flagged ones have already disappeared - the first comments were all Putin apologia.
- ChumpGPT 3y agoReading the comment section of the NYT leaves me wondering why so many Americans idolize Putin and hate their own country? Even here on HN there there are those who in a clever way show their support for Putin and Russia. When did it become okay to start a war and invade other countries with the goal of destroying them and erasing their identity and existence? Shameful.....
- hindsightbias 3y agoI’ve just had to resign myself to the theory that fluoridation turned them into fellow travelers. Alternatively, they’re right and Dark Brandon would have to be the most ingenious strategic thinker and manipulator in generations.
- 6510 3y agowhy would those be real?
- trilbyglens 3y agoSadly a tour through small town america will reveal many more "fuck Ukraine" stickers and bathroom scrawlings than you will see Ukraine flags, or symbols of support. America has been shit brained by decades of terrible leadership on the right, brain drain in rural areas, and overall shitty education.
- 6510 3y agoWhile we might not agree with those and we might consider it stupid I have a hard time imagining propaganda has advanced to country side bathrooms. The NYT comment section requires no imagination.
- tim333 3y agoRussian propaganda is surprisingly effective and hard to pin down. Like I was puzzled the whole way through why Tucker Carlson was basically pushing Kremlin propaganda and only recently discovered that his dad is getting paid by Orban's lot to lobby for Hungary in DC and Orban is basically controlled by Putin. And you can't prove a lot of stuff but it seems fairly evident it is going on.
- labster 3y agoHonestly, the war coverage of the NYT and mainstream media in general has not been great. There is too much headline seeking in a long hard slog of peer competitor armies. OP is a good article, but it’s about Russian society, not the war itself. It checks all the boxes that Russia is in fact a fascist state, but then for some reason doesn’t connect the dots and actually print it plainly. For people actually interested in the war, stick to sources more used to covering military issues. The Institute for the Study of War has a superb daily briefing. The Drive’s section The War Zone does well, as does the Daily Kos. Or even OSINT communities on Reddit. It’s much harder to take the Ruski mir seriously once you’ve seen enough mobiks with two days’ training being shot in a field filled with their own litter, knowing they would never send Muscovites to the front.
- pphysch 3y ago> The Institute for the Study of War has a superb daily briefing. ISW has some signal, but it's also run by the Kagan family which has been directly implicated in contributing to this horrible mess (see other comments about Victoria Nuland). Calling it "superb" given this enormous conflict of interest -- a bit much.
- labster 3y agoThat all seems rather ad hominem, while not talking about the value of the information. All sources are biased; some are more useful than others.
- pphysch 3y agoAs I said, it has some signal but we must take their analysis with a huge grain of salt because they are closely associated with actual conspirators behind the conflict.
- labster 3y agoI have a hard time believing that the Biden administration got the US Senate to confirm a member of Putin’s inner circle to the US State Dept. But we have Lord Lebedev as an example that weird things like this do happen.
- theironhammer 3y agoWhat about Professor John Meersheimer? How's the war going? Didn't the NYT and all the other main stream media say Ukraine was winning all along. "The counter offensive, the counter offensive". How's that counter offensive going?
- vlz 3y ago> Didn't the NYT and all the other main stream media say Ukraine was winning all along Would like to see a quote for that from NYT. While there were hopes for the offensive I do not remember anybody being sure about victory.
- tharmas 3y ago[flagged]
- nradov 3y agoThe counter offensive seems to be going reasonably well. The Ukrainian forces are taking heavy losses but still advancing and taking back territory.
- tharmas 3y agoI disagree that it is "going reasonably well". If you look at the headlines for this search: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ukrainian+counter+offensive+failure&t=brave&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ukrainian+counter+offensive+failur... it suggests that even the US Govt is not rosy on the outcome nor is the main-stream media.
- nradov 3y agoUkraine controls more territory now than a few months ago. It takes some real spin to characterize that as a "failure". The mainstream media has never been an accurate source of information about military matters, so I don't know why you would even mention that.
- knowaveragejoe 3y ago
- sharts 3y agoIf A punches B, and then B punches A. And then we claim B is in the wrong for punching A. While we might be technically correct, we would also be disingenuous.
- jemmyw 3y agoNobody punched B though. B has been in a bad place, they took a path in life that was working out for awhile but it all came crashing down. They're unhappy about it and belligerent because A did better but B still can't bring itself to copy the style of A. C, D and E asked to join As club because they were worried Bs erratic behavior was going to get them bashed about. F had been friends with B and took longer to change their mind, and by the time they wanted to join with As club B was looking for a fight. B wanted to take Fs stuff and make F Bs bitch.