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I would encourage those interested to read up on the individual behind the ISP harassment campaign and what might actually be motivating them to do it. That it'

by tjpnz 3y ago

I would encourage those interested to read up on the individual behind the ISP harassment campaign and what might actually be motivating them to do it. That it's being done to protect trans people is highly disingenuous.

gyropod 3y ago
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richbell 3y ago
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- neonsunset 3y ago
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- habinero 3y ago
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  - chonkerz 3y ago
    kiwifarms admin admitted to this too. he says that he seeks out mentally vulnerable people to harass because they make funny reactions when tormented. he calls them "lolcows". the first victim of the site was a severely autistic person. kiwifarms was originally called "CWCki Forums" after the first victim's initials
    - Akronymus 3y ago
      > kiwifarms admin admitted to this too. I have a hard time finding that, could you link me to it/a screenshot of it?
      - chonkerz 3y ago
        It's on the kiwifarms homepage >Lolcows are people with eccentric behavior who can be "milked" for entertainment. the "milking" is harassment
        Akronymus 3y ago
        I took the milking as collecting info/discussing it, rather than harassment, as that is more in line with their stated policy of no contanct.
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- TazeTSchnitzel 3y ago
  > The claim that Kiwi Farms is dedicated to driving transpeople to suicide was started by [specific people] Nice strawman. There are a huge number of different people who have independently arrived at the conclusion that KF exists to bully queer and autistic people, often to suicide, because it's a consistent pattern; the idea that this concept can be attributed to just one or a handful of people is wilfully misleading. Anyone who's been online long enough in the right circles will eventually know of multiple people who have been targets of the site, and it's obvious what those targets have in common.
  - richbell 3y ago
    > There are a huge number of different people who have independently arrived at the conclusion that KF exists to bully queer and autistic people, often to suicide, because it's a consistent pattern It's a convenient thing to accuse them of considering that it's already "widely accepted". The same person involved in this was also behind #DropKiwiFarms. They've been trying to blame Kiwi Farms for numerous suicides since 2016, and the "victim count" changes every time the story is told. > Anyone who's been online long enough in the right circles will eventually know of multiple people who have been targets of the site, and it's obvious what those targets have in common. Most of the site's largest threads are about right-wing figures (e.g. Nick Fuentes, Ethan Ralph, Milo Yiannopolis) or well-known online personalities (e.g., DarkSydePhil, WingsOfRedemption, Mr. Metokur, Nick Rikeida, H3H3). I'm not sure what you're implying.
    - chonkerz 3y ago
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cf141q5325 3y ago
Here the Glenn Greenwald post from the time of the Kiwifarms debacle is worth referencing. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1567292900312064000 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1567292900312064000 >But the worst is watching people whose job title in corporate HR Departments is "journalist" take the lead in agitating for censorship. They exploit the platforms of corporate giants to pioneer increasingly dangerous means of banning dissenters. These are the authoritarians. Its especially despicable if it happens consciously as a means to an end. Signaling towards a common enemy is highly profitable in a tribalism ridden society. Doing this despite an understanding of the risk it entails can hardly be described as anything but malice. I can only think of imploring people to read Meerloos "Rape of the mind" about the existential risk totalitarian systems pose. And even if someone already went full Stalinist thinking the ends justify the means, its worth mentioning that its a self destructive delusion. It cant work and the revolution eats its children reliably. Be it the SA or the red guard, they always end as the victims of the monster they created. Unfortunately the rest of society is then stuck in the dystopian nightmare these delusional maniacs created. edit: On this note, Arte recently had a documentary about the Chinese gulag system https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/106702-001-A/china-s-concentration-camps-1-2/ https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/106702-001-A/china-s-concentra... edit1: The only one saving you from this fate is yourself. So maybe dont put it off till you are in prison. >In the same text, Martsinkevich said he’d finally read Alexander Solzhenitsyn's “The Gulag Archipelago” for the first time. “If I’d read ‘Gulag Archipelago’ before I sat down to write ‘Restrukt,’ I wouldn’t have even started it!” he confessed. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/17/in-the-end-it-doesn-t-matter https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/17/in-the-end-it-doesn-...
- vintermann 3y ago
  Linking to Twitter doesn't work very well these days. Users who aren't logged in don't see the thread, only the single tweet you link to.
  - cf141q5325 3y ago
    I put it as a quote in the post. Would be great if you could recommend a better alternative though, especially as even watching a tweet was disabled for a time.
chonkerz 3y ago
Their personal information is plastered all over Kiwifarms so it's pretty easy to find.
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gyropod 3y ago

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neonsunset 3y ago
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- longham 3y ago
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- chonkerz 3y ago
  kiwifarms admin admitted to this too. he says that he seeks out mentally vulnerable people to harass because they make funny reactions when tormented. he calls them "lolcows". the first victim of the site was a severely autistic person. kiwifarms was originally called "CWCki Forums" after the first victim's initials
  - Akronymus 3y ago
    > kiwifarms admin admitted to this too. I have a hard time finding that, could you link me to it/a screenshot of it?
    - chonkerz 3y ago
      It's on the kiwifarms homepage >Lolcows are people with eccentric behavior who can be "milked" for entertainment. the "milking" is harassment
      - Akronymus 3y ago
        I took the milking as collecting info/discussing it, rather than harassment, as that is more in line with their stated policy of no contanct.
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TazeTSchnitzel 3y ago
> The claim that Kiwi Farms is dedicated to driving transpeople to suicide was started by [specific people] Nice strawman. There are a huge number of different people who have independently arrived at the conclusion that KF exists to bully queer and autistic people, often to suicide, because it's a consistent pattern; the idea that this concept can be attributed to just one or a handful of people is wilfully misleading. Anyone who's been online long enough in the right circles will eventually know of multiple people who have been targets of the site, and it's obvious what those targets have in common.
- richbell 3y ago
  > There are a huge number of different people who have independently arrived at the conclusion that KF exists to bully queer and autistic people, often to suicide, because it's a consistent pattern It's a convenient thing to accuse them of considering that it's already "widely accepted". The same person involved in this was also behind #DropKiwiFarms. They've been trying to blame Kiwi Farms for numerous suicides since 2016, and the "victim count" changes every time the story is told. > Anyone who's been online long enough in the right circles will eventually know of multiple people who have been targets of the site, and it's obvious what those targets have in common. Most of the site's largest threads are about right-wing figures (e.g. Nick Fuentes, Ethan Ralph, Milo Yiannopolis) or well-known online personalities (e.g., DarkSydePhil, WingsOfRedemption, Mr. Metokur, Nick Rikeida, H3H3). I'm not sure what you're implying.
  - chonkerz 3y ago
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cf141q5325 3y ago

Here the Glenn Greenwald post from the time of the Kiwifarms debacle is worth referencing. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1567292900312064000 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1567292900312064000 >But the worst is watching people whose job title in corporate HR Departments is "journalist" take the lead in agitating for censorship. They exploit the platforms of corporate giants to pioneer increasingly dangerous means of banning dissenters. These are the authoritarians. Its especially despicable if it happens consciously as a means to an end. Signaling towards a common enemy is highly profitable in a tribalism ridden society. Doing this despite an understanding of the risk it entails can hardly be described as anything but malice. I can only think of imploring people to read Meerloos "Rape of the mind" about the existential risk totalitarian systems pose. And even if someone already went full Stalinist thinking the ends justify the means, its worth mentioning that its a self destructive delusion. It cant work and the revolution eats its children reliably. Be it the SA or the red guard, they always end as the victims of the monster they created. Unfortunately the rest of society is then stuck in the dystopian nightmare these delusional maniacs created. edit: On this note, Arte recently had a documentary about the Chinese gulag system https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/106702-001-A/china-s-concentration-camps-1-2/ https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/106702-001-A/china-s-concentra... edit1: The only one saving you from this fate is yourself. So maybe dont put it off till you are in prison. >In the same text, Martsinkevich said he’d finally read Alexander Solzhenitsyn's “The Gulag Archipelago” for the first time. “If I’d read ‘Gulag Archipelago’ before I sat down to write ‘Restrukt,’ I wouldn’t have even started it!” he confessed. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/17/in-the-end-it-doesn-t-matter https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/17/in-the-end-it-doesn-...

vintermann 3y ago
Linking to Twitter doesn't work very well these days. Users who aren't logged in don't see the thread, only the single tweet you link to.
- cf141q5325 3y ago
  I put it as a quote in the post. Would be great if you could recommend a better alternative though, especially as even watching a tweet was disabled for a time.

chonkerz 3y ago

Their personal information is plastered all over Kiwifarms so it's pretty easy to find.

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