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Amazon CEO doesn’t realize they’ll lose out on talent and miss out on talent. I’ll never work in office again unless I need to work with machines or hardware I

Amazon CEO doesn’t realize they’ll lose out on talent and miss out on talent. I’ll never work in office again unless I need to work with machines or hardware I don’t have access to at home.

rcme 3y ago
Are you particularly talented?
- oulu2006 3y ago
  I don't know why you're being down voted, it's a fair enough question. Most people overrate their abilities and are expendable -- I suspect Amazon also sees this as a convenient way of getting rid of people who no longer hustle and enjoy the lifestyle of WFH.
  - weard_beard 3y ago
    If your definition of hustle is stack ranking I look forward to carrying the industry when you burn out and get out.
    - Melting_Harps 3y ago
      > If your definition of hustle is stack ranking I look forward to carrying the industry when you burn out and get out. I keep trying to bide my time, but all the industries outside of tech I could rely on have been absolutely wrecked by COVID. Remote first companies get 500+ applicants per role and you're lucky if you ever get more than an automated application acceptance these days. I'm seriously going to pivot to Cyber Security in the hopes that I don't have to deal with office politics, or tech bros with deluded aspirations of C-level rank trying to grind their way to the top of middle management (at best) at this phase of my career (former boot strapping founder that's over and seen enough of disarray the VC and hype machines cause) that lets me just save by not living and commuting in a high CoL area anymore. I still think I have one more startup in me (one day) so burning out for a corp is not how I want to go out in order to in the right cultural fit in some PM's eyes.
      - 0xjmp 3y ago
        Cybersecurity IC here. We have all of that, and more.
        Melting_Harps 3y ago
        > Cybersecurity IC here. We have all of that, and more. Damn... as an IC are you forced into the machinations on a daily basis or can you actively avoid it by choosing to work remotely even if TC is lower than otherwise could be? I'm pursuing an AI and ML degree and given where we were 6 months ago I have to be honest with myself and fully admit it feels way more smoke and mirrors driven by hype than anything I have ever experienced even in the early days in Bitcoin (which is saying a lot after ~13 years). And unlike in Bitcoin where we have a liaise fare attitude and selective contribution and forks are a thing to be encouraged, most corps do not see value in what made it what it is today, thus take a very dim light on just 'opting out' of things like office politics as means to get ahead and grind/hustle culture.
        0xjmp 3y ago
        Get the work done, have excellent communication skills (planning, reliability, accountability), and finding good remote/TC work shouldn't be much of an issue (even in this climate). The personal computer was a fad. The internet was a fad. Bitcoin was a fad. AI is a fad. Its going to take more than 6 months to materialize. Hang in there.
        qzx_pierri 3y ago
        BEWARE. Cybersec is often 90% sitting in meetings and 10% filling out boilerplate excel sheets for control assessments and stressful project management (dealing directly with the megalomaniac VP/SVPs in your company). The ‘cool’ Cybersec roles like red/blue teaming are much more rare than what I mentioned above, and firewall/splunk stuff is often offloaded to Network teams, especially in this economy where companies are trimming fat and consolidating roles. I say this as someone who went to Cybersec and left because I’m a technical guy who enjoys sitting at a terminal and building things, learning new tools, sifting through FOSS docs, etc. Cybersec teams are often filled with people who major in things like Economics and History because the only skill needed for those roles is a good vocabulary, project management, and 6-8 months of entry level technical skills/certs. Yes, I AM bitter, but I’m damn sure not lying. Avoid any compliance focused Cybersec job if you actually have technical skills that are worth a damn. To all the people who were hoodwinked into taking this type of job like I was: Its not too late to get out. I did. You can too.
rybosworld 3y ago
In the nicest possible way: I think you are daft if you believe the CEO doesn't realize this will create employee churn.
- chii 3y ago
  It's undeniable that the CEO would realize the outcome for such employee churn. But is it really true that this is a desired outcome from said CEO, and is done for the benefit of the company? Employee churn, esp. of the type that replaces long tenured employees with new ones, are often productivity destroying. Good employees that have in-depth knowledge and high capability is worth their weight in gold, and yet they are the most likely to be able to leave under such a churning condition. Losing those sorts of employees are a loss which may not show up in metrics in the short term, but surely it will affect how productive the company will be in the long term.
  - rybosworld 3y ago
    I generally agree. But churn and burn is Amazon's philosophy. That's why they ask managers to PIP 6% of their reports every year.
- __derek__ 3y ago
  The money quote was literally that people who can't "disagree and commit" should leave the company.

Amazon CEO doesn’t realize they’ll lose out on talent and miss out on talent. I’ll never work in office again unless I need to work with machines or hardware I don’t have access to at home.

rcme 3y ago

Are you particularly talented?

oulu2006 3y ago
I don't know why you're being down voted, it's a fair enough question. Most people overrate their abilities and are expendable -- I suspect Amazon also sees this as a convenient way of getting rid of people who no longer hustle and enjoy the lifestyle of WFH.
- weard_beard 3y ago
  If your definition of hustle is stack ranking I look forward to carrying the industry when you burn out and get out.
  - Melting_Harps 3y ago
    > If your definition of hustle is stack ranking I look forward to carrying the industry when you burn out and get out. I keep trying to bide my time, but all the industries outside of tech I could rely on have been absolutely wrecked by COVID. Remote first companies get 500+ applicants per role and you're lucky if you ever get more than an automated application acceptance these days. I'm seriously going to pivot to Cyber Security in the hopes that I don't have to deal with office politics, or tech bros with deluded aspirations of C-level rank trying to grind their way to the top of middle management (at best) at this phase of my career (former boot strapping founder that's over and seen enough of disarray the VC and hype machines cause) that lets me just save by not living and commuting in a high CoL area anymore. I still think I have one more startup in me (one day) so burning out for a corp is not how I want to go out in order to in the right cultural fit in some PM's eyes.
    - 0xjmp 3y ago
      Cybersecurity IC here. We have all of that, and more.
      - Melting_Harps 3y ago
        > Cybersecurity IC here. We have all of that, and more. Damn... as an IC are you forced into the machinations on a daily basis or can you actively avoid it by choosing to work remotely even if TC is lower than otherwise could be? I'm pursuing an AI and ML degree and given where we were 6 months ago I have to be honest with myself and fully admit it feels way more smoke and mirrors driven by hype than anything I have ever experienced even in the early days in Bitcoin (which is saying a lot after ~13 years). And unlike in Bitcoin where we have a liaise fare attitude and selective contribution and forks are a thing to be encouraged, most corps do not see value in what made it what it is today, thus take a very dim light on just 'opting out' of things like office politics as means to get ahead and grind/hustle culture.
        0xjmp 3y ago
        Get the work done, have excellent communication skills (planning, reliability, accountability), and finding good remote/TC work shouldn't be much of an issue (even in this climate). The personal computer was a fad. The internet was a fad. Bitcoin was a fad. AI is a fad. Its going to take more than 6 months to materialize. Hang in there.
        qzx_pierri 3y ago
        BEWARE. Cybersec is often 90% sitting in meetings and 10% filling out boilerplate excel sheets for control assessments and stressful project management (dealing directly with the megalomaniac VP/SVPs in your company). The ‘cool’ Cybersec roles like red/blue teaming are much more rare than what I mentioned above, and firewall/splunk stuff is often offloaded to Network teams, especially in this economy where companies are trimming fat and consolidating roles. I say this as someone who went to Cybersec and left because I’m a technical guy who enjoys sitting at a terminal and building things, learning new tools, sifting through FOSS docs, etc. Cybersec teams are often filled with people who major in things like Economics and History because the only skill needed for those roles is a good vocabulary, project management, and 6-8 months of entry level technical skills/certs. Yes, I AM bitter, but I’m damn sure not lying. Avoid any compliance focused Cybersec job if you actually have technical skills that are worth a damn. To all the people who were hoodwinked into taking this type of job like I was: Its not too late to get out. I did. You can too.

rybosworld 3y ago

In the nicest possible way: I think you are daft if you believe the CEO doesn't realize this will create employee churn.

chii 3y ago
It's undeniable that the CEO would realize the outcome for such employee churn. But is it really true that this is a desired outcome from said CEO, and is done for the benefit of the company? Employee churn, esp. of the type that replaces long tenured employees with new ones, are often productivity destroying. Good employees that have in-depth knowledge and high capability is worth their weight in gold, and yet they are the most likely to be able to leave under such a churning condition. Losing those sorts of employees are a loss which may not show up in metrics in the short term, but surely it will affect how productive the company will be in the long term.
- rybosworld 3y ago
  I generally agree. But churn and burn is Amazon's philosophy. That's why they ask managers to PIP 6% of their reports every year.
__derek__ 3y ago
The money quote was literally that people who can't "disagree and commit" should leave the company.