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R is great when your data is already together in one place and homogenous/processed. In that instance the workflow using dplyr/ggplot is better. R the languag

R is great when your data is already together in one place and homogenous/processed. In that instance the workflow using dplyr/ggplot is better. R the language is hot garbage though, and the libraries available for doing random things that aren't working with certain data structures, doing math or plotting are generally much worse than their python equivalents. That is the reason python dominates data engineering, and why it's pushing R out everywhere but academia.

dekhn 3y ago
R will still have a solid place in industrial pharma for a long time (even as python growths, R growth will continue. R is pretty tightly intertwined with the process of processing and submitting data from clinical trials to the FDA, much to SAS's chagrin. Personally I think we have to accept that R, Python, Java, C++, and Go are going to be with us for the rest of our lives. I would expect PHP, Ruby, and Perl to go away much faster. Rust is still in question.
- eep_social 3y ago
  Rails is probably going to keep Ruby relevant for a lot longer than Perl. I might go as far as to predict that Ruby will be the new COBOL or FORTRAN - widely used but neither cheap nor easy to find someone to modify it.
- fbdab103 3y ago
  Are you from the future? R is making progress to replacing SAS in pharma, but has a long ways to go. Here is an article from last year[0] patting themselves on the back for making a R submission to the FDA. There are oodles of existing processes where data has to be formatted just so because that is how SAS does it. Nobody wants to rip up and re-validate that code until they must. [0] https://www.r-consortium.org/blog/2022/03/16/update-successful-r-based-test-package-submitted-to-fda https://www.r-consortium.org/blog/2022/03/16/update-successf...
  - dekhn 3y ago
    The trope about SAS being required is pretty old... people trotted that out when I last worked in pharma ~15 years ago. The FDA specifically released an article saying that R is perfectly acceptable for submission https://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2012/06/fda-r-ok.html https://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2012/06/fda-r-ok.html Please don't spread the SAS FUD. I work in Pharma and talk to the statisticians all the time.
    - fbdab103 3y ago
      I currently work in pharma, and I can point to teams of SAS programmers. There are definitely R efforts, and I have no doubt it is the eventual future, but it is not yet here.

dekhn 3y ago

R will still have a solid place in industrial pharma for a long time (even as python growths, R growth will continue. R is pretty tightly intertwined with the process of processing and submitting data from clinical trials to the FDA, much to SAS's chagrin. Personally I think we have to accept that R, Python, Java, C++, and Go are going to be with us for the rest of our lives. I would expect PHP, Ruby, and Perl to go away much faster. Rust is still in question.

eep_social 3y ago
Rails is probably going to keep Ruby relevant for a lot longer than Perl. I might go as far as to predict that Ruby will be the new COBOL or FORTRAN - widely used but neither cheap nor easy to find someone to modify it.
fbdab103 3y ago
Are you from the future? R is making progress to replacing SAS in pharma, but has a long ways to go. Here is an article from last year[0] patting themselves on the back for making a R submission to the FDA. There are oodles of existing processes where data has to be formatted just so because that is how SAS does it. Nobody wants to rip up and re-validate that code until they must. [0] https://www.r-consortium.org/blog/2022/03/16/update-successful-r-based-test-package-submitted-to-fda https://www.r-consortium.org/blog/2022/03/16/update-successf...
- dekhn 3y ago
  The trope about SAS being required is pretty old... people trotted that out when I last worked in pharma ~15 years ago. The FDA specifically released an article saying that R is perfectly acceptable for submission https://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2012/06/fda-r-ok.html https://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2012/06/fda-r-ok.html Please don't spread the SAS FUD. I work in Pharma and talk to the statisticians all the time.
  - fbdab103 3y ago
    I currently work in pharma, and I can point to teams of SAS programmers. There are definitely R efforts, and I have no doubt it is the eventual future, but it is not yet here.