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Drop a few hundred dollars on storage (blu rays?) Move it all over Never think about it again

tasuki 3y ago
If the plan is to "never think about it again", why not just delete it?
arccy 3y ago
like they said, space is not the issue. it's only surfacing the things that matter. what good is a pile of mediocrity where you can't find the gems inside?
chii 3y ago
and then in the future, never be able to find anything from that stash of storage disks. What's needed is a wayback-machine-esque archiving method, where you can just find old stuff, but locally and self-hosted! Unfortunately, it does take a bit of effort to setup and not at all easy/painfree to keep running. So i guess my box of burnable dvds will forever be relegated to be just a display item.
- prpl 3y ago
  I guess nobody has modded a 100 CD changers into a blu ray yet
logifail 3y ago
> Drop a few hundred dollars on storage (blu rays?) I'm saving up for a new tape drive (will probably be LTO 8) ... I have some fairly serious data hoarding issues.
dspillett 3y ago
In my experience recorded CDs/DVDs, which I'm assuming extends to writable blueray too, there is often some degradation over time, so you need to check on things occasionally and transfer to new media as needed. So “never think about it again” doesn't really work, unless you are truly just hoarding and will never read the stuff back! Though I've not used recordable CDs/DVDs for much for years, just occasionally when posting digital photos/videos up to a low-tech type who has limited slow Internet. These days online drives are large enough that I can keep everything I care to have to hand on a local RAID array for easy access, backed up remotely of course, and Internet access is quick and reliable so things that are less important or rare can be streamed or otherwise re-obtained easily. Maybe quality has improved over time?
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  Yeah, I've recently found some ~20 year old CDs where I had burned some music I produced in my 20s with a friend. I ripped all of them but it took ages and there was a lot of corruption.
  - dspillett 3y ago
    I pulled a collection of photos off an old CD-RW for a friend a year-or-so ago. It took some effort but we finally got almost a full copy of everything (just a couple of the files just wouldn't read at all). I ended up trying several optical drives, the disk was most readable in one but some parts it couldn't get we successfully read with a different drive. A few files seemed to read without error reported by the OS (though slowly and you could hear the drives retrying the read a few times) on more than one drive but had corruption from one of them, we manually compared different files of the same name to pick the best. Considering this, I'm surprised how much we did manage to read successfully. There were other things on the disk, MP3s and other such, though we didn't bother trying to rescue these (only the photos were of any significance) so I'm not sure if they were in any better/worse state. Mildly interesting observation: he no longer had a CD/DVD/other reader in a computer at all. No desktop PC and his laptop has no optical drive. The only optical drive he has is a DVD player hooked up to his TV and that is hardly ever used, as most of what it would be used for he has access to via a streaming service or two. I suspect this is not uncommon.
- joshspankit 3y ago
  PAR files are your friend here
  - dspillett 3y ago
    Now there is a blast from the past: I par2 archives being used in usenet binary groups in the early 2000s. Unfortunately they need to be considered before you need to recover the data, which my friend did not. Also/instead having multiple copies would have been useful as one may have survived better (stored in different locations in case the environment in one makes the disk degrade faster). Though neither method removes the need to occasionally test the media to make sure you have enough workable bits to recover the data.

If the plan is to "never think about it again", why not just delete it?

like they said, space is not the issue. it's only surfacing the things that matter. what good is a pile of mediocrity where you can't find the gems inside?

chii 3y ago

and then in the future, never be able to find anything from that stash of storage disks. What's needed is a wayback-machine-esque archiving method, where you can just find old stuff, but locally and self-hosted! Unfortunately, it does take a bit of effort to setup and not at all easy/painfree to keep running. So i guess my box of burnable dvds will forever be relegated to be just a display item.

prpl 3y ago
I guess nobody has modded a 100 CD changers into a blu ray yet

logifail 3y ago

> Drop a few hundred dollars on storage (blu rays?) I'm saving up for a new tape drive (will probably be LTO 8) ... I have some fairly serious data hoarding issues.

dspillett 3y ago

In my experience recorded CDs/DVDs, which I'm assuming extends to writable blueray too, there is often some degradation over time, so you need to check on things occasionally and transfer to new media as needed. So “never think about it again” doesn't really work, unless you are truly just hoarding and will never read the stuff back! Though I've not used recordable CDs/DVDs for much for years, just occasionally when posting digital photos/videos up to a low-tech type who has limited slow Internet. These days online drives are large enough that I can keep everything I care to have to hand on a local RAID array for easy access, backed up remotely of course, and Internet access is quick and reliable so things that are less important or rare can be streamed or otherwise re-obtained easily. Maybe quality has improved over time?

cassianoleal 3y ago
Yeah, I've recently found some ~20 year old CDs where I had burned some music I produced in my 20s with a friend. I ripped all of them but it took ages and there was a lot of corruption.
- dspillett 3y ago
  I pulled a collection of photos off an old CD-RW for a friend a year-or-so ago. It took some effort but we finally got almost a full copy of everything (just a couple of the files just wouldn't read at all). I ended up trying several optical drives, the disk was most readable in one but some parts it couldn't get we successfully read with a different drive. A few files seemed to read without error reported by the OS (though slowly and you could hear the drives retrying the read a few times) on more than one drive but had corruption from one of them, we manually compared different files of the same name to pick the best. Considering this, I'm surprised how much we did manage to read successfully. There were other things on the disk, MP3s and other such, though we didn't bother trying to rescue these (only the photos were of any significance) so I'm not sure if they were in any better/worse state. Mildly interesting observation: he no longer had a CD/DVD/other reader in a computer at all. No desktop PC and his laptop has no optical drive. The only optical drive he has is a DVD player hooked up to his TV and that is hardly ever used, as most of what it would be used for he has access to via a streaming service or two. I suspect this is not uncommon.
joshspankit 3y ago
PAR files are your friend here
- dspillett 3y ago
  Now there is a blast from the past: I par2 archives being used in usenet binary groups in the early 2000s. Unfortunately they need to be considered before you need to recover the data, which my friend did not. Also/instead having multiple copies would have been useful as one may have survived better (stored in different locations in case the environment in one makes the disk degrade faster). Though neither method removes the need to occasionally test the media to make sure you have enough workable bits to recover the data.