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I think the real feature is this: " We do not train on your business data or conversations, and our models don’t learn from your usage. ChatGPT Enterprise is a

by brabel 3y ago

I think the real feature is this: " We do not train on your business data or conversations, and our models don’t learn from your usage. ChatGPT Enterprise is also SOC 2 compliant and all conversations are encrypted in transit and at rest. "

ftxbro 3y ago
Which part of that is new, because I was pretty sure they were saying "we do not train on your business data or conversations, and our models don’t learn from your usage" already. Maybe the SOC 2 and encryption is new?
- vidarh 3y ago
  They don't train on data when you either use the API or disable chat history, which is inconvenient.
  - justanotheratom 3y ago
    yes, this is terrible. I want chat history, but I don't want them to use my data. Can't have both, even though I am paying $20/month!
    - eagleinparadise 3y ago
      Best way of doing this I have found is using separate browser profiles. So i have one primary profile logged in normally and a separate tab which i turn off chat history. So now I get best of both worlds
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        I don't see how that's the best of both worlds. They want chat history and no training on the same conversation.
      - albert_e 3y ago
        you can have different profiles on a single ChatGPT plus subscription?
    - supriyo-biswas 3y ago
      Use a third party interface which uses the API directly like YakGPT or the OpenAI playgrounds, and you can save some costs that way along with a local chat history that’s not shared with OpenAI.
    - doktrin 3y ago
      Prior to releasing the chat history "feature" there was an opt-out form that could be submitted, which did not have any impact on the webapp's functionality. I'm not current enough to know if that form 1) ever had any effect, and 2) if a form-submitted opt-out is still valid given they now have the aforementioned in-app feature.
  - air7 3y ago
    Really? This seems like one Chrome extension away...
    - varispeed 3y ago
      so that someone else gets your data? Chrome extension is a no go.
      - flangola7 3y ago
        Who says it can't save it to a local database?
        Hrundi 3y ago
        It can, until the extension developer receives a tempting offer for it, as has happened countless times
        littlestymaar 3y ago
        Fork the extension and use your own then.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        ...which is a lot more work than "one Chrome extension away".
        vGPU 3y ago
        And you’re going to spend the time reviewing every single commit to make sure the dev didn’t sell out without telling anyone? Or risk running a potentially outdated and vulnerable extension?
        tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
        And then you’ve gotta wake up in the morning and put your shoes on! What’s with the argumentative tone? Do you think that the replier doesn’t know this?
hammock 3y ago
>" We do not train on your business data or conversations, and our models don’t learn from your usage. ChatGPT Enterprise is also SOC 2 compliant and all conversations are encrypted in transit and at rest. " That's great. But can customer prompts and company data be resold to data brokers?
dahwolf 3y ago
It's exactly opposite. The entire point of an enterprise option would be that you DO train it on corporate data, securely. So the #1 feature is actually missing, yet is announced as in the works.
- IanCal 3y ago
  You probably wouldn't want that, you'd want to integrate with your data for lookups but rarely for training a new model.
  - dahwolf 3y ago
    Can't believe the pushback I'm getting here. The use case is stunningly obvious. Companies want to dump all their Excels in it and get insights that no human could produce in any reasonable amount of time. Companies want to dump a zillion help desk tickets into and gain meaningful insights from it. Companies want to dump all their Sharepoints and Wikis into it that currently nobody can even find or manage, and finally have functioning knowledge search. You absolutely want a privately trained company model.
    - IanCal 3y ago
      None of the use cases you are describing require training a new model. You really don't want to train a new model, that's not a good way of getting them to learn reliable facts and do so without losing other knowledge. The fine tuning for GPT 3.5 suggests something like under a hundred examples. What you want is to get an existing model to search a well built index of your data and use that information to reason about things. That way you also always have entirely up to date data. People aren't missing the use cases you describe, they're disagreeing as to how to achieve those.
    - brianleb 3y ago
      >>Companies want to dump all their Excels in it and get insights that no human could produce in any reasonable amount of time. >>Companies want to dump a zillion help desk tickets into and gain meaningful insights from it. >>Companies want to dump all their Sharepoints and Wikis into it that currently nobody can even find or manage, and finally have functioning knowledge search. Mature organizations already have solutions for all of these things. If you can't mine your own data competently, you've got bigger problems than not having AI doing it for you. It means you don't have humans who understand what's going on. AI is not the answer to everything.
irrational 3y ago
But, can they provide a comprehensive dump of all data it was trained on that we can examine? Otherwise my company may end up using IP that belongs to someone else.

by brabel 3y ago

ftxbro 3y ago

Which part of that is new, because I was pretty sure they were saying "we do not train on your business data or conversations, and our models don’t learn from your usage" already. Maybe the SOC 2 and encryption is new?

vidarh 3y ago
They don't train on data when you either use the API or disable chat history, which is inconvenient.
- justanotheratom 3y ago
  yes, this is terrible. I want chat history, but I don't want them to use my data. Can't have both, even though I am paying $20/month!
  - eagleinparadise 3y ago
    Best way of doing this I have found is using separate browser profiles. So i have one primary profile logged in normally and a separate tab which i turn off chat history. So now I get best of both worlds
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      I don't see how that's the best of both worlds. They want chat history and no training on the same conversation.
    - albert_e 3y ago
      you can have different profiles on a single ChatGPT plus subscription?
  - supriyo-biswas 3y ago
    Use a third party interface which uses the API directly like YakGPT or the OpenAI playgrounds, and you can save some costs that way along with a local chat history that’s not shared with OpenAI.
  - doktrin 3y ago
    Prior to releasing the chat history "feature" there was an opt-out form that could be submitted, which did not have any impact on the webapp's functionality. I'm not current enough to know if that form 1) ever had any effect, and 2) if a form-submitted opt-out is still valid given they now have the aforementioned in-app feature.
- air7 3y ago
  Really? This seems like one Chrome extension away...
  - varispeed 3y ago
    so that someone else gets your data? Chrome extension is a no go.
    - flangola7 3y ago
      Who says it can't save it to a local database?
      - Hrundi 3y ago
        It can, until the extension developer receives a tempting offer for it, as has happened countless times
        littlestymaar 3y ago
        Fork the extension and use your own then.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        ...which is a lot more work than "one Chrome extension away".
        vGPU 3y ago
        And you’re going to spend the time reviewing every single commit to make sure the dev didn’t sell out without telling anyone? Or risk running a potentially outdated and vulnerable extension?
        tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
        And then you’ve gotta wake up in the morning and put your shoes on! What’s with the argumentative tone? Do you think that the replier doesn’t know this?

hammock 3y ago

>" We do not train on your business data or conversations, and our models don’t learn from your usage. ChatGPT Enterprise is also SOC 2 compliant and all conversations are encrypted in transit and at rest. " That's great. But can customer prompts and company data be resold to data brokers?

dahwolf 3y ago

It's exactly opposite. The entire point of an enterprise option would be that you DO train it on corporate data, securely. So the #1 feature is actually missing, yet is announced as in the works.

IanCal 3y ago
You probably wouldn't want that, you'd want to integrate with your data for lookups but rarely for training a new model.
- dahwolf 3y ago
  Can't believe the pushback I'm getting here. The use case is stunningly obvious. Companies want to dump all their Excels in it and get insights that no human could produce in any reasonable amount of time. Companies want to dump a zillion help desk tickets into and gain meaningful insights from it. Companies want to dump all their Sharepoints and Wikis into it that currently nobody can even find or manage, and finally have functioning knowledge search. You absolutely want a privately trained company model.
  - IanCal 3y ago
    None of the use cases you are describing require training a new model. You really don't want to train a new model, that's not a good way of getting them to learn reliable facts and do so without losing other knowledge. The fine tuning for GPT 3.5 suggests something like under a hundred examples. What you want is to get an existing model to search a well built index of your data and use that information to reason about things. That way you also always have entirely up to date data. People aren't missing the use cases you describe, they're disagreeing as to how to achieve those.
  - brianleb 3y ago
    >>Companies want to dump all their Excels in it and get insights that no human could produce in any reasonable amount of time. >>Companies want to dump a zillion help desk tickets into and gain meaningful insights from it. >>Companies want to dump all their Sharepoints and Wikis into it that currently nobody can even find or manage, and finally have functioning knowledge search. Mature organizations already have solutions for all of these things. If you can't mine your own data competently, you've got bigger problems than not having AI doing it for you. It means you don't have humans who understand what's going on. AI is not the answer to everything.

irrational 3y ago

But, can they provide a comprehensive dump of all data it was trained on that we can examine? Otherwise my company may end up using IP that belongs to someone else.