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>You knew the manufacturer had a reputation of forgetting hard to check parts... and you still bought one. Yeah but the company is run by a hip cool memelord w
by FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>You knew the manufacturer had a reputation of forgetting hard to check parts... and you still bought one.
Yeah but the company is run by a hip cool memelord who's gonna get us to mars, and his cars have nice softwares like my iPad. Who cares about the metal parts of the car's rigidity structure? That's just something old boring people think about. Everyone knows EVs are more reliable than ICE so no need to ever look under the hood. $TSLA to the moon! /s
>Still I guess at least it's good to see Tesla living up to the reputation for American cars to be generally shit build quality.
The shit build quality has less to do with being American, and more to do with Tesla chasing higher margins, high margins which in part come from cutting a lot of corners in places where customers aren't looking for, which in a tracic-comedy way is what most American auto-makers did to get to their shit-build quality reputation.
To be fair, many brands have QA issues all the time, but that one from the article is so big and obvious it should never have made it passed inspection.
- stephenr 3y ago> The shit build quality has less to do with being American I'm not suggesting they're shit because they're American. I'm just saying it's nice to see them living up to the existing standard of shitness set by the existing American manufacturers. I'm sure each American car manufacturer has their own unique and interesting reasons for having reliably shit build quality compared to European or Japanese manufacturers.
- boilerupnc 3y agoI posted an HN comment [0] a while back that is one example from prior work experience. It shares how specification differences between the domestics and Japanese auto-makers impacts downstream and overall system reliability/quality. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25627762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25627762
- gavinray 3y agoNothing as reliable as a Honda Civic or Toyota Prius.
- nradov 3y agoSome people love to claim that electric cars will be more reliable due to mechanical simplicity. And yet somehow the highly complex Prius is still far more reliable and durable than any Tesla. It turns out that simplicity doesn't help if your engineers and assembly workers are incompetent and badly managed.
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- slaw 3y agoToyota Prius is one of the simplest currently made ICE cars. There is nothing simpler and more reliable than port injection inline 4 engine and eCVT transmission. Edit: And naturally aspirated engine.
- djbusby 3y agoAmerican build quality "documented" in the movie "Gung Ho"
- yafbum 3y agoI was hesitant about buying a Chevy Bolt EV for similar reasons, but honestly, zero complaints. Well made, pleasure to drive. They did have a battery recall but that was due to defects introduced at an LG factory in Korea IIRC
- kabes 3y agoGot a friend working for tesla after-sales service in Europa and he claims the Chinese-made Teslas are better quality than the ones that are American-made
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>Chinese-made Teslas are better quality than the ones that are American-made Shit rolls up-hill. It's not that american factory workers are worse at assembling widgets than chinese factory workers, it's that american factory management is shit. British Leyland would also traditionally make garbage cars, but when the Japanese came, those same workers were churning out good cars. Processes, culture, management and leadership makes all the difference.
- kabes 3y agoSure, didn't want to imply it's factory workers fault.
- jklinger410 3y ago>...and more to do with Tesla chasing higher margins Which is the most American thing you can do.
- rsynnott 3y agoAs the post you’re replying to mentions, this is indeed a thing that US manufacturers did back in the day. It didn’t work out for them, in the long run.
- jklinger410 3y ago> a thing that US manufacturers did back in the day Is this...a joke? We are currently going through inflation caused directly by margin chasing and stock buybacks. If you look into any industry you will see a long race to the bottom to get the most money for the least product imaginable. It's the #1 function of a capitalist system, to extract the most value for the least work. Margin chasing is all we do. It should be included in our national anthem.
- rsynnott 3y agoObviously US automakers want all the margins they can get, but in the past they pursued margins _to the extent of making very low-quality cars_ (then had their lunch eaten by foreign competition; it did not work out well for them at all). They largely don't do that anymore; their quality is more comparable to foreign competition than it used to be.