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Do you feel like that practice is unethical at all?

by cebert 3y ago

johnnyworker 3y ago
Probing for open buckets and selling the results for people likely looking to do nasty things with the is unethical IMO, but it's still more ethical to do it and then bring it up to warn others of it, than to just do it. I mean, how do you know if the people talking about this fantastic value add at the fingertips of anyone are not doing it? When it comes to doing basic napkin math and publish the results, that I find highly ethical, actually.
- chii 3y ago
  > it's still more ethical to do it and then bring it up to warn others of it, than to just do it. ala, i was gonna murder you, but at least you were warned!
  - johnnyworker 3y ago
    It took me 3 secs to find this: https://buckets.grayhatwarfare.com/ https://buckets.grayhatwarfare.com/ So I think the practical difference is mostly between praising S3 (as synonym for "the cloud" when Amazon wasn't even mentioned, no less) and warning at least to use it diligently, which when it comes to costs might often be not using it at all.
    - leetrout 3y ago
      The context of the conversation is on tape drives which is about mass storage. The comment I replied to said: > someone else's server in Virgina While everyone may operate there now it was exceedingly common in mu experience to be referring to AWS when referencing Dulles / Ashburn / NoVA or just Virginia since AWS started there first. So I figure S3 is the correct comparison to not having a 50 TB tape drive under your desk when "the cloud" is being discussed.
anonym29 3y ago
I feel like companies collecting sensitive information and slapping it on someone else's computer without the slightest clue how to protect it, or running a cloud hyperscaler and leaving storage open and indexed by default is far more unethical than anything I'm doing. I'm not the unethical collector, I'm not the one who decided to host that collected info on the cloud, and I'm not the CSP who gave those unethical collectors shitty security defaults. I'm just the messenger notifying others that this is happening. US case law is abundantly clear that web scraping is 100% legal. Further, I have never signed any agreement with AWS (I don't even have an AWS account) regarding AUP or anything like that, so I have no contractual restrictions on this either.

Do you feel like that practice is unethical at all?

by cebert 3y ago

Do you feel like that practice is unethical at all?

Probing for open buckets and selling the results for people likely looking to do nasty things with the is unethical IMO, but it's still more ethical to do it and then bring it up to warn others of it, than to just do it. I mean, how do you know if the people talking about this fantastic value add at the fingertips of anyone are not doing it? When it comes to doing basic napkin math and publish the results, that I find highly ethical, actually.

chii 3y ago
> it's still more ethical to do it and then bring it up to warn others of it, than to just do it. ala, i was gonna murder you, but at least you were warned!
- johnnyworker 3y ago
  It took me 3 secs to find this: https://buckets.grayhatwarfare.com/ https://buckets.grayhatwarfare.com/ So I think the practical difference is mostly between praising S3 (as synonym for "the cloud" when Amazon wasn't even mentioned, no less) and warning at least to use it diligently, which when it comes to costs might often be not using it at all.
  - leetrout 3y ago
    The context of the conversation is on tape drives which is about mass storage. The comment I replied to said: > someone else's server in Virgina While everyone may operate there now it was exceedingly common in mu experience to be referring to AWS when referencing Dulles / Ashburn / NoVA or just Virginia since AWS started there first. So I figure S3 is the correct comparison to not having a 50 TB tape drive under your desk when "the cloud" is being discussed.

anonym29 3y ago

I feel like companies collecting sensitive information and slapping it on someone else's computer without the slightest clue how to protect it, or running a cloud hyperscaler and leaving storage open and indexed by default is far more unethical than anything I'm doing. I'm not the unethical collector, I'm not the one who decided to host that collected info on the cloud, and I'm not the CSP who gave those unethical collectors shitty security defaults. I'm just the messenger notifying others that this is happening. US case law is abundantly clear that web scraping is 100% legal. Further, I have never signed any agreement with AWS (I don't even have an AWS account) regarding AUP or anything like that, so I have no contractual restrictions on this either.