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1) That's for the Ukrainian people to decide and nobody else. If the Ukrainians want to fight then we should help them do so. 2) These were targets on a milita
by dralley 3y ago
1) That's for the Ukrainian people to decide and nobody else. If the Ukrainians want to fight then we should help them do so.
2) These were targets on a military airbase.
3) They had an "armistice" for 8 years. It was a joke to begin with, which provided no real guarantees (as Russia continued to lie that they had nothing to do with the conflict throughout and as such they didn't need to agree to anything), signed at the point of a gun, was often ignored by both sides, and was shattered by a full scale Russian invasion
4) Ukraine has no reason to believe that any new "armistice" will lead to different outcomes than the last one - that is, Russia will maintain it a little while and then invade from a stronger starting position than the last time. Russia ignored the Budapest Memorandum, both Minsk agreements, the "grain deal" and just this week we saw what happened to Prigozhin. Any deal with Putin will last exactly as long as it takes for him to feel that he would benefit from breaking it.
- thriftwy 3y ago[flagged]
- genman 3y agoReductio ad absurdum.
- nradov 3y agoRead the actual text of the Budapest memorandum. It was not a formal security treaty and didn't require the other signatories (UK and USA) to go to war to defend Ukraine. It merely required them to bring any violations to the UN Security Council, which they have already done. https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000...
- dralley 3y ago>I doubt that anybody would think Budapest memorandum would cause Russia defending Ukraine from itself, with a straight face. Pray tell, where did the little green men come from?
- jiggawatts 3y agoSpace?
- _kbh_ 3y ago> I doubt that anybody would think Budapest memorandum would cause Russia defending Ukraine from itself, with a straight face. The persistent myth of the “little green men” has been busted wide open by Igor Girkin who admitted there was no armed rebellion until they imported soldiers and made one. Regardless Russias invasion of Crimea at the same time was still a violation of the Budapest Memorandum.
- genman 3y agoThe last sentence is like "Understanding Russia 101" - it's essential. But it's not only Putin, it's the whole Russia from the very beginning, it's the essence of it.
- jiggawatts 3y agoSomeone in the Zelensky government said that they might make a deal with Putin’s successor. Obviously implying that they see no point to negotiate with Putin himself.