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If five years ago I would have read this as a parody I would have dismissed it as unbelievable. Unpaid volunteers go on strike and the resulting agreement is a

by treis 3y ago

If five years ago I would have read this as a parody I would have dismissed it as unbelievable. Unpaid volunteers go on strike and the resulting agreement is a bureaucratic masterpiece of procedures that (probably) don't solve the problem and create working groups to establish more of them. What a world we live in.

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pessimizer 3y ago
A world where intentional communities of peers deliberate with each other to iron out past problems and agree on new procedures going forward? It's always easier to have a dictator come in and tell people what to do, but people complain about it.
tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
Unpaid volunteers just want stuff to be involved in. The weird notion that unpaid volunteers are some pure force for good is falsely perpetuated by internet greybeards who only say it because they themselves were those people. Ask any young person their opinion of people in these positions and they’ll rightfully paint them in a negative light. Somehow we took being on body corporate and fetishised it.
- bombcar 3y ago
  When the jannies are unpaid you have to wonder why they’re doing it. They will always say it’s from love for the community, but that can often be suspect. (We known dang moderates us out of the goodness of his paycheck, which means he’s free to love us all :)
- em-bee 3y ago
  The weird notion that unpaid volunteers are some pure force for good is falsely perpetuated by internet greybeards who only say it because they themselves were those people that is an interesting argument, but i don't understand how it is relevant here. as far as i can tell the moderators were acting with good intentions as a force for good as it were. if anything the problem was not that but that the company seemed to think that they can dictate what volunteers do. but really, they can't. reddit is doing the same, and if they don't listen to the volunteers they will eventually pay the price.
refulgentis 3y ago
That's breathtakingly reductive, cruel, and that's coming from me, who smiled and am amenable to the overall premise. I'll try to lead by example here: I'm glad they established its okay to moderate answers flagged as AI and that moderation rules should be public.
em-bee 3y ago
it may not solve the problem, but i think it is better than leaving AI submissions on there. in short what they achieved is that the company can't just override the moderators at will, which is think is reasonable. if i volunteer somewhere i want to be respected, not be treated as a lackey that does their bidding.

by treis 3y ago

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pessimizer 3y ago

A world where intentional communities of peers deliberate with each other to iron out past problems and agree on new procedures going forward? It's always easier to have a dictator come in and tell people what to do, but people complain about it.

tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago

Unpaid volunteers just want stuff to be involved in. The weird notion that unpaid volunteers are some pure force for good is falsely perpetuated by internet greybeards who only say it because they themselves were those people. Ask any young person their opinion of people in these positions and they’ll rightfully paint them in a negative light. Somehow we took being on body corporate and fetishised it.

bombcar 3y ago
When the jannies are unpaid you have to wonder why they’re doing it. They will always say it’s from love for the community, but that can often be suspect. (We known dang moderates us out of the goodness of his paycheck, which means he’s free to love us all :)
em-bee 3y ago
The weird notion that unpaid volunteers are some pure force for good is falsely perpetuated by internet greybeards who only say it because they themselves were those people that is an interesting argument, but i don't understand how it is relevant here. as far as i can tell the moderators were acting with good intentions as a force for good as it were. if anything the problem was not that but that the company seemed to think that they can dictate what volunteers do. but really, they can't. reddit is doing the same, and if they don't listen to the volunteers they will eventually pay the price.

refulgentis 3y ago

That's breathtakingly reductive, cruel, and that's coming from me, who smiled and am amenable to the overall premise. I'll try to lead by example here: I'm glad they established its okay to moderate answers flagged as AI and that moderation rules should be public.

em-bee 3y ago

it may not solve the problem, but i think it is better than leaving AI submissions on there. in short what they achieved is that the company can't just override the moderators at will, which is think is reasonable. if i volunteer somewhere i want to be respected, not be treated as a lackey that does their bidding.