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That recent pushback has been a bit exhausting, even more so than a hype preceding it. At least the hype was full of hope and excitement, the recent pushback is

That recent pushback has been a bit exhausting, even more so than a hype preceding it. At least the hype was full of hope and excitement, the recent pushback is full of snide (and often unwarranted) I-told-you-so and a taste of luddite. I guess that's how the pendulum goes.

mathisfun123 3y ago
> I guess that's how the pendulum goes https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/
vikramkr 3y ago
Pendulum is probably way sharper this time around because we're dealing with the aftermath of the crypto fallout. Sure in practice this time there are actual applications and lots of people paying actual money for real products, but tech has lost a lot of it's sheen and there's going to be a lot more very understandable dismissal of the next shiny. Even though for this one we should probably actually take it seriously since the societal disruption potential is very high and humans dealt poorly with the previous few transitions when tons of people lost jobs. The AI doesn't even have to be that good. Tons of jobs involve trying to turn humans into robots, like call centers and offshore software consultancies, and I think llms passed the "good enough" point a long time ago
version_five 3y ago
I'm sure there are egregious examples, but I think "I told you so" is fine. You get these waves of bro-kids storming into established disciplines and acting like hot shit, it's not surprising to see people happy when their bubble burst. Importantly, I don't see pushback against ML researchers or practitioners, it's against the charlatans who are using the hype to sell snake oil. That's completely warranted.
ilaksh 3y ago
Those are some key aspects of Gary Marcus but not the worst. The worst is that so many people listen to him. It's actually problematic because it confuses lawmakers.
namaria 3y ago
Conflating luddism with anti technology sentiment just illustrates how shallow your analysis is. And isn't complaining about complaints just more noise? The thing about luddism is, it correlated strongly with suppression of legitimate industrial action. It wasn't an act of ignorance or seeking regression. It was a violent manifestation of labor push back against rampant exploitation in the face of systematic suppression of legitimate channels.

mathisfun123 3y ago

> I guess that's how the pendulum goes https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/

vikramkr 3y ago

Pendulum is probably way sharper this time around because we're dealing with the aftermath of the crypto fallout. Sure in practice this time there are actual applications and lots of people paying actual money for real products, but tech has lost a lot of it's sheen and there's going to be a lot more very understandable dismissal of the next shiny. Even though for this one we should probably actually take it seriously since the societal disruption potential is very high and humans dealt poorly with the previous few transitions when tons of people lost jobs. The AI doesn't even have to be that good. Tons of jobs involve trying to turn humans into robots, like call centers and offshore software consultancies, and I think llms passed the "good enough" point a long time ago

version_five 3y ago

I'm sure there are egregious examples, but I think "I told you so" is fine. You get these waves of bro-kids storming into established disciplines and acting like hot shit, it's not surprising to see people happy when their bubble burst. Importantly, I don't see pushback against ML researchers or practitioners, it's against the charlatans who are using the hype to sell snake oil. That's completely warranted.

ilaksh 3y ago

Those are some key aspects of Gary Marcus but not the worst. The worst is that so many people listen to him. It's actually problematic because it confuses lawmakers.

namaria 3y ago

Conflating luddism with anti technology sentiment just illustrates how shallow your analysis is. And isn't complaining about complaints just more noise? The thing about luddism is, it correlated strongly with suppression of legitimate industrial action. It wasn't an act of ignorance or seeking regression. It was a violent manifestation of labor push back against rampant exploitation in the face of systematic suppression of legitimate channels.