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When your child is coming home in tears every day because other children are mean, and the teachers and administrators won't do anything, and your child is sitt

When your child is coming home in tears every day because other children are mean, and the teachers and administrators won't do anything, and your child is sitting bored through bullshit indoctrination and being harangued for skipping brainless homework to write or make art or do any number of other things, feel free to sit down and tell them how valuable the public school system is, and how their suffering is stupid and they need to get over it.

andrepd 3y ago
The school system has many problems. That doesn't mean that homeschooling isn't 10x worse.
- Aeolun 3y ago
  In aggregate, sure. At a personal level, probably not. Just pick whatever works.
  - andrepd 3y ago
    So simple! Why didn't I think of that. The reality is that what homeschooling parents think is "right" is often extremely noxious and damaging. Again, not all of them sure, but a large portion.
    - Aeolun 3y ago
      > The reality is that what homeschooling parents think is "right" is often extremely noxious and damaging Yeah, which is why it’s bad in aggregate. But that generally isn’t the case for parents that send their kids to normal school first and then pull them out when things aren’t working out for whichever reason.
- CuriouslyC 3y ago
  Just because you can point to cases of homeschooling that's 10x worse than the average public school doesn't mean there aren't homeschooling environments that aren't much better, and public school environments that aren't MUCH MUCH worse.
  - andrepd 3y ago
    What a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics. Were you homeschooled? /s
    - CuriouslyC 3y ago
      If you think you made a meaningful statistical statement, your fundamental misunderstanding of language is a strike against any public school that graduated you.
      - andrepd 3y ago
        And original too! -- Let's end this conversation here, this is devolving into useless banter.
xigency 3y ago
This entire thread is why I think public schools and private schools are both really important and need investment. Homeschooling as well but that I see as a gap solution.
gemstones 3y ago
Do the tears eventually end without permanently destroying the child/parent relationship? If so, you might actually be describing something better!
- CuriouslyC 3y ago
  The tears eventually end with your child bringing a weapon to school or going hulk and slamming another kid's head on concrete like that viral meme you probably can remember, then getting suspended, getting put in Juvi, and having their life fucked up even worse.
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    Statistically? No they do not.
    - CuriouslyC 3y ago
      Maybe have a look at the rise of school shootings, student suicides and children bringing weapons to school (to the degree that there are metal detectors in schools all over the place now). Kids were bringing knives to school to fend off bullies back when I went to school, and getting stabbed with uncomfortable frequency, and that was 30+ years ago in a halfway decent neighborhood.
- gemstones 3y ago
  And the juvie outcome is so common that it makes up the most likely outcome from having a bad school experience? I think homeschooling may still be statistically worse

andrepd 3y ago

The school system has many problems. That doesn't mean that homeschooling isn't 10x worse.

Aeolun 3y ago
In aggregate, sure. At a personal level, probably not. Just pick whatever works.
- andrepd 3y ago
  So simple! Why didn't I think of that. The reality is that what homeschooling parents think is "right" is often extremely noxious and damaging. Again, not all of them sure, but a large portion.
  - Aeolun 3y ago
    > The reality is that what homeschooling parents think is "right" is often extremely noxious and damaging Yeah, which is why it’s bad in aggregate. But that generally isn’t the case for parents that send their kids to normal school first and then pull them out when things aren’t working out for whichever reason.
CuriouslyC 3y ago
Just because you can point to cases of homeschooling that's 10x worse than the average public school doesn't mean there aren't homeschooling environments that aren't much better, and public school environments that aren't MUCH MUCH worse.
- andrepd 3y ago
  What a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics. Were you homeschooled? /s
  - CuriouslyC 3y ago
    If you think you made a meaningful statistical statement, your fundamental misunderstanding of language is a strike against any public school that graduated you.
    - andrepd 3y ago
      And original too! -- Let's end this conversation here, this is devolving into useless banter.

xigency 3y ago

This entire thread is why I think public schools and private schools are both really important and need investment. Homeschooling as well but that I see as a gap solution.

gemstones 3y ago

Do the tears eventually end without permanently destroying the child/parent relationship? If so, you might actually be describing something better!

CuriouslyC 3y ago
The tears eventually end with your child bringing a weapon to school or going hulk and slamming another kid's head on concrete like that viral meme you probably can remember, then getting suspended, getting put in Juvi, and having their life fucked up even worse.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  Statistically? No they do not.
  - CuriouslyC 3y ago
    Maybe have a look at the rise of school shootings, student suicides and children bringing weapons to school (to the degree that there are metal detectors in schools all over the place now). Kids were bringing knives to school to fend off bullies back when I went to school, and getting stabbed with uncomfortable frequency, and that was 30+ years ago in a halfway decent neighborhood.
gemstones 3y ago
And the juvie outcome is so common that it makes up the most likely outcome from having a bad school experience? I think homeschooling may still be statistically worse