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>This means the kids gather together in one location because many kids can learn from the person doing the teaching. >Often as well it makes sense for the pare

>This means the kids gather together in one location because many kids can learn from the person doing the teaching. >Often as well it makes sense for the parents all to contribute a little money so that instead of the parents having to teach things that they are not expert in, the can pay as a group for someone with subject expertise to assist. >It can be problematic though gathering so many kids into one house for group home schooling, so another exciting development in modern home schooling is when a location is found somewhere in the community for it to happen. Again, if the parents pool an amount of money each then such a location can be leased long term and can be set up with desks and chairs for the kids to sit at. This is tongue in cheek I presume, as it's sounding just like a regular school.

grug_htmx_dev 3y ago
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- soulofmischief 3y ago
  Sounds like a private school.
  - qup 3y ago
    We like to rebrand things in 2023. Trailers and campers are now tiny homes. Pressure cookers are instant pots. Convection ovens are air fryers. NIH syndrome?
    - novok 3y ago
      At least instant pot is a brand name effect, like xerox, and not a literal rephrase.
  - tbrownaw 3y ago
    Sounds like a cloud-ified (ephemeral, on-demand, relatively small) version of a private school.
- wyldfire 3y ago
  Out of all the things the government does, public education is a rare example of a positive externality.
wyldfire 3y ago
It's not. It's Poe's law, in action.
- deleted 3y ago
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megablast 3y ago
Nothing gets passed your professor. If we do have online learning, maybe the need for schools goes away?
- mellavora 3y ago
  Nothing gets past your professor. There, fixed it for ya
credit_guy 3y ago
Except that in regular school, if you want your kids to learn math, depending of the state you're in, you may be just out of luck.
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- dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
  You can hire a private tutor, or teach them maths yourself. Only some kids truly have an aptitude for mathematics anyway.
  - tiffanyg 3y ago
    Only some kids truly have an aptitude for mathematics anyway. That's an absurdly strong and inaccurate statement that feeds into psychological walls that then get erected in the minds of the young and perpetuate ad infinitum. The psychological research here is very clear: stressing work, over some sort of ethereal innate 'talent', in ANY area makes a massive difference in skill attainment. I don't have time this moment to get into this in any depth, and, it depends, of course, what specifically you mean by "truly have an aptitude", but, too many people have a view of math, in particular, as some kind of magical realm only "truly accessible" to a few. There's a lot that goes into forming the basis for skill in any domain - quite a lot of that likely reflects all sorts of extremely early life parameters and events prior, even, to acquisition of language. The "playing field" is never "level" in any pursuit. But, based on my own experiences and knowledge, there's a mysticism or whatever surrounding some subjects that's just bizarre, IMO. I would personally, in light of what I've seen to date, draw a very direct analogy with the formation of an NBA player (as an example). Someone can start playing very young, become incredibly adept, and easily never get to the height, strength, etc. (typically) required to make it to NBA level. Nevertheless, these people go on to be trainers, coaches, announcers, etc. This is even more relevant in fields that aren't in the "tournament career" realm. Often, what holds people back the most, is substantially unfounded statements like yours. Here's a jumping off point for further info (not enough time to provide more complete refs, currently, apologies): https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-procrastination-equation/201110/hard-work-beats-talent-but-only-if-talent-doesnt-work-hard https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-procrastination-...
silverpepsi 3y ago
Something I heard a few years back put my life experience as a kid in perspective. At least for me, in the most important way possible, it doesn't sound like regular school at all. The main deep life impacting characteristic of standard public schools is coerced unwelcome company. You're forced by law to be around the same bullies for 5, 10, even 12 years. The natural order with organic friendships (and indeed probably since antiquity) is that those who act as a bully or jerk get ostracized. It is both justice and instructive for those who get excluded from one circle and must rethink their social approach to possible get accepted in another. It is how socialization is supposed to work. Parents won't force their kids to continue to be around others they dislike, schools are totally ok with the violation of right OTOH (basically if you have a right of free association you also have a right of non association btw).
- dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
  I'm unsure if you're saying that coerced unwelcome company is a good or a bad thing. While kids can be mean, it's just a reflection of humans in general and this kind of behaviour doesn't go away when you block it out. People get more mature but there's a lot of similarity between how people act in high school and in the work place, it's just a lot more skillfully and subtly done. Exposing kids to this reality doesn't seem bad to me.
  - david-gpu 3y ago
    > Exposing kids to this reality doesn't seem bad to me. I hope your children don't get "exposed to this reality" in school, as you put it. The sorts of harrassment that school bullies inflict on their victims is, to put it simply, not tolerated anywhere else. Why should it be tolerated when it happens in school, where the victims have no choice but to attend every day?
    - WicWacWok 3y ago
      > The sorts of harrassment that school bullies inflict on their victims is, to put it simply, not tolerated anywhere else. Workplace bullying is fairly common too, it just follows the corporate hierarchy.
zi6gbap22pity 3y ago
Except there is no language revolving around how you have to be there, expectations for it to form the core of your social experience, etc. I was never homeschooled, and I think homeschooling is generally not a great idea. But there should be an alternative. Anything that doesn't have a pressure valve like that is screwed.
agentgumshoe 3y ago
That's what most home schooling parents are trying to replicate, problems and all.
graemep 3y ago
No, its very different because kids do not receive their enire education at that one location, nor do they have to stick to their age group ragardless of their abilities and interests. Its not new either. Most home educators use a mixture of ways of learning. The best is self teaching because it teaches study skills - learning how to learn is invaluable. It us also very flexible. For thise familiar with the British system, my daughters did GCSEs in subjects including Latin and astronomy. They sat some subjects early (the older one got an a in physics at 9) which let them spread things out and is less stressful. Socially they meet lots of people, of varied ages, in diferrent settings. Schools could learn a lot from the tailor made nature of HE. They could be flexible. We neef to move on from mass produced education. https://pietersz.co.uk/2023/08/schools-failing-flexible-answer https://pietersz.co.uk/2023/08/schools-failing-flexible-answ...
vanattab 3y ago
Just like a school with curriculum focused by a small group of parents

grug_htmx_dev 3y ago

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soulofmischief 3y ago
Sounds like a private school.
- qup 3y ago
  We like to rebrand things in 2023. Trailers and campers are now tiny homes. Pressure cookers are instant pots. Convection ovens are air fryers. NIH syndrome?
  - novok 3y ago
    At least instant pot is a brand name effect, like xerox, and not a literal rephrase.
- tbrownaw 3y ago
  Sounds like a cloud-ified (ephemeral, on-demand, relatively small) version of a private school.
wyldfire 3y ago
Out of all the things the government does, public education is a rare example of a positive externality.

wyldfire 3y ago

It's not. It's Poe's law, in action.

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megablast 3y ago

Nothing gets passed your professor. If we do have online learning, maybe the need for schools goes away?

mellavora 3y ago
Nothing gets past your professor. There, fixed it for ya

credit_guy 3y ago

Except that in regular school, if you want your kids to learn math, depending of the state you're in, you may be just out of luck.

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dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
You can hire a private tutor, or teach them maths yourself. Only some kids truly have an aptitude for mathematics anyway.
- tiffanyg 3y ago
  Only some kids truly have an aptitude for mathematics anyway. That's an absurdly strong and inaccurate statement that feeds into psychological walls that then get erected in the minds of the young and perpetuate ad infinitum. The psychological research here is very clear: stressing work, over some sort of ethereal innate 'talent', in ANY area makes a massive difference in skill attainment. I don't have time this moment to get into this in any depth, and, it depends, of course, what specifically you mean by "truly have an aptitude", but, too many people have a view of math, in particular, as some kind of magical realm only "truly accessible" to a few. There's a lot that goes into forming the basis for skill in any domain - quite a lot of that likely reflects all sorts of extremely early life parameters and events prior, even, to acquisition of language. The "playing field" is never "level" in any pursuit. But, based on my own experiences and knowledge, there's a mysticism or whatever surrounding some subjects that's just bizarre, IMO. I would personally, in light of what I've seen to date, draw a very direct analogy with the formation of an NBA player (as an example). Someone can start playing very young, become incredibly adept, and easily never get to the height, strength, etc. (typically) required to make it to NBA level. Nevertheless, these people go on to be trainers, coaches, announcers, etc. This is even more relevant in fields that aren't in the "tournament career" realm. Often, what holds people back the most, is substantially unfounded statements like yours. Here's a jumping off point for further info (not enough time to provide more complete refs, currently, apologies): https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-procrastination-equation/201110/hard-work-beats-talent-but-only-if-talent-doesnt-work-hard https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-procrastination-...

silverpepsi 3y ago

Something I heard a few years back put my life experience as a kid in perspective. At least for me, in the most important way possible, it doesn't sound like regular school at all. The main deep life impacting characteristic of standard public schools is coerced unwelcome company. You're forced by law to be around the same bullies for 5, 10, even 12 years. The natural order with organic friendships (and indeed probably since antiquity) is that those who act as a bully or jerk get ostracized. It is both justice and instructive for those who get excluded from one circle and must rethink their social approach to possible get accepted in another. It is how socialization is supposed to work. Parents won't force their kids to continue to be around others they dislike, schools are totally ok with the violation of right OTOH (basically if you have a right of free association you also have a right of non association btw).

dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
I'm unsure if you're saying that coerced unwelcome company is a good or a bad thing. While kids can be mean, it's just a reflection of humans in general and this kind of behaviour doesn't go away when you block it out. People get more mature but there's a lot of similarity between how people act in high school and in the work place, it's just a lot more skillfully and subtly done. Exposing kids to this reality doesn't seem bad to me.
- david-gpu 3y ago
  > Exposing kids to this reality doesn't seem bad to me. I hope your children don't get "exposed to this reality" in school, as you put it. The sorts of harrassment that school bullies inflict on their victims is, to put it simply, not tolerated anywhere else. Why should it be tolerated when it happens in school, where the victims have no choice but to attend every day?
  - WicWacWok 3y ago
    > The sorts of harrassment that school bullies inflict on their victims is, to put it simply, not tolerated anywhere else. Workplace bullying is fairly common too, it just follows the corporate hierarchy.

zi6gbap22pity 3y ago

Except there is no language revolving around how you have to be there, expectations for it to form the core of your social experience, etc. I was never homeschooled, and I think homeschooling is generally not a great idea. But there should be an alternative. Anything that doesn't have a pressure valve like that is screwed.

agentgumshoe 3y ago

That's what most home schooling parents are trying to replicate, problems and all.

graemep 3y ago

No, its very different because kids do not receive their enire education at that one location, nor do they have to stick to their age group ragardless of their abilities and interests. Its not new either. Most home educators use a mixture of ways of learning. The best is self teaching because it teaches study skills - learning how to learn is invaluable. It us also very flexible. For thise familiar with the British system, my daughters did GCSEs in subjects including Latin and astronomy. They sat some subjects early (the older one got an a in physics at 9) which let them spread things out and is less stressful. Socially they meet lots of people, of varied ages, in diferrent settings. Schools could learn a lot from the tailor made nature of HE. They could be flexible. We neef to move on from mass produced education. https://pietersz.co.uk/2023/08/schools-failing-flexible-answer https://pietersz.co.uk/2023/08/schools-failing-flexible-answ...

vanattab 3y ago

Just like a school with curriculum focused by a small group of parents