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The sourced ingredients are indeed regional. The menu is regional as well. The website is built on top of their mobile ordering platform. The mobile ordering pl

The sourced ingredients are indeed regional. The menu is regional as well. The website is built on top of their mobile ordering platform. The mobile ordering platform requires your location to be able to route your order to the “correct” McDonald’s. This is done via requesting your location from Google or via location services within the mobile app. This platform is used by a lot of different QSRs. Or Quick Service Restaurants. Dunkin, Starbucks, Taco Bell, Checkers, etc. I know this because I built the platform. The biggest hurdle to the platform was delivering your order to the store “just-in-time” for it to be hot and ready when you get there. Checkout CardFREE. It’s been a decade but they are still delivering value. The VP of Engineering was a new hire junior engineer when I was there. http://www.cardfree.com http://www.cardfree.com

bfdm 3y ago
Interesting! But also really speaks to the need for a browser setting for very coarse location without requiring user entry. Eg, I always block location API access, and sites often have poor fallback UI for entry. If it'd let me, I'd be setting my browser to always report "Toronto, Ontario" and auto-deny location requests.
- gabereiser 3y ago
  That ship has sailed. Location data is vital to a lot of internet services now. GeoIP fencing is one thing but location fencing is a tech that is being used by every major government (despite them outcrying privacy concerns). I wish it wasn’t like this but until the open web becomes the “transparent” web, the snooping, spying, logging, graph-identity-building, MarTech driven, web will continue to go towards walled gardens and deanonymizing the internet.
  - hackmiester 3y ago
    And yet if you want your app to be listed on the iPhone App Store, it must be equally functional if the user denies location. So, I always do it, and have no problems, although sometimes it is slightly more annoying to use the app.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Almost any non-mapping application for location is just as well served by “zip-code”.
      - Kwpolska 3y ago
        I’d rather not be picked up by Uber at the middle of whichever area shares my postal code, and I’d rather not get my food delivered there. On the other hand, postal codes can sometimes apply to a handful of buildings, and sometimes can apply to entire cities, depending on the country and local area, so they can either be very unhelpful or almost as invasive as sharing your precise location.
        gabereiser 3y ago
        There are entire counties here in the US with the same zip code. Varying by miles. So yeah, it’s not a reliable source of location for delivery purposes without a complete address.
        wlonkly 3y ago
        It fails in the other direction in Canada, where a specific postal code works like a 9+4 zip code, in that it might identify one side of one block of a street, so it doesn't give you much additional privacy through precision loss anyway.
        gabereiser 3y ago
        The US does that too in most places. 5+4 zip codes. It's still not enough and suffers the same precision issues and we (the USA) are woefully ill-prepared for the housing build out boom that will happen in the next decade. We need a better system. We will exhaust our zip codes like we have our IPv4 addresses.
        wlonkly 3y ago
  - salawat 3y ago
    You wish it wasn't like that, yet you helped build one of the cornerstones that enabled it to become that way. Curious. I'm getting mixed messages here. Is this an example of "I knew not what I was doing", or what? I eval projects I'll assist by thinking of applications 2 or three times removed from the project prospectus exactly to not unknowingly further the ends of a surveillance state.
    - gabereiser 3y ago
      I like location api’s, otherwise we wouldn’t have turn by turn directions, maps, trail guides, etc. I don’t like location tracking for the purposes of advertisements, proximity correlation, geofencing targeting, and location sharing without consent.
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LeifCarrotson 3y ago
Why can't you just select a particular McDonald's, set a (first-party, essential) cookie to say that address is "my restaurant" and then show nutrition facts/delivery destination with that location? You don't need to know which room in my house I'm sitting in to tell me how many calories are in a McChicken.
- gabereiser 3y ago
  Mobile app uses location API’s provided by the device. No cookies necessary and plays nice with Apple’s anti-cookie tracking App Store policy.
jimmydddd 3y ago
I noticed Dunkin' has the just in time feature. It asks if you want your order to wait until you get closer to the location.
- gabereiser 3y ago
  Depending on the stores “load”. Exactly. It will hold onto your order until you are close enough for them to start making it and be done when you arrive. It requires knowing the turn-around time, business of location, distance, traffic, order length, estimated time to completion, and of course - your payment authorization. Not all brands show this but all brands do this.
kazinator 3y ago
> The sourced ingredients are indeed regional. "Yeah but", do you need Google Maps do do the geolocation?
- gabereiser 3y ago
  When using a browser, that’s the location api that was available at the time. Was there a better option in 2013?
  - cuu508 3y ago
    GeoIP databases, <input> and <select> elements.
  - kazinator 3y ago
    - Ask the user to select a location. I may want to know the nutritional facts about an item somewhere else. Say I'm traveling there. - Have websites in different countries: like if I go to macdonalds.co.jp, I get the nutritional facts in Japanese about the Japanese Big Mac. Geolocation is rude, lame and broken.
    - gabereiser 3y ago
      >Ask the user to select a location. I may want to know the nutritional facts about an item somewhere else. Say I'm traveling there. At the time, it was only National in the USA. You could lookup different stores to get menus after the app determined your closest store. >Have websites in different countries: like if I go to macdonalds.co.jp, I get the nutritional facts in Japanese about the Japanese Big Mac. I believe they do this now. At the time it was implemented, there wasn’t a bias like there is today against location API’s. They hadn’t been used (yet) for tracking purposes outside of maps and what we were doing. No ad based geo fencing and location sharing. The big issue is QSR’s are fast food. Fast food must be fast. Under 10 minutes. Any select, drop down, input box to enter in your address, added extra complexity to the checkout ordering process during our focus groups. Having an image of the item, add to order, checkout to nearest store, results in a 10x reduction in ordering time. It makes the user experience of the ordering process streamlined and smooth and operational from your vehicle with one hand. I would build the same system today.
cosmotic 3y ago
I find mcdonalds won't let me submit my order until I'm on the same block, and it adds an extra step during ordering, and it makes the app janky. I then have to wait while they prepare. This is not an improvement over the non geotracked version. I specifically order starbucks long before I get there because I prefer their hot food to cool down before I eat. Mcdonalds takes that agency away.
- gabereiser 3y ago
  I do not take responsibility for the current state, only the tech that enabled us to be there. I personally do not eat at McDonald’s.

bfdm 3y ago

Interesting! But also really speaks to the need for a browser setting for very coarse location without requiring user entry. Eg, I always block location API access, and sites often have poor fallback UI for entry. If it'd let me, I'd be setting my browser to always report "Toronto, Ontario" and auto-deny location requests.

gabereiser 3y ago
That ship has sailed. Location data is vital to a lot of internet services now. GeoIP fencing is one thing but location fencing is a tech that is being used by every major government (despite them outcrying privacy concerns). I wish it wasn’t like this but until the open web becomes the “transparent” web, the snooping, spying, logging, graph-identity-building, MarTech driven, web will continue to go towards walled gardens and deanonymizing the internet.
- hackmiester 3y ago
  And yet if you want your app to be listed on the iPhone App Store, it must be equally functional if the user denies location. So, I always do it, and have no problems, although sometimes it is slightly more annoying to use the app.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Almost any non-mapping application for location is just as well served by “zip-code”.
    - Kwpolska 3y ago
      I’d rather not be picked up by Uber at the middle of whichever area shares my postal code, and I’d rather not get my food delivered there. On the other hand, postal codes can sometimes apply to a handful of buildings, and sometimes can apply to entire cities, depending on the country and local area, so they can either be very unhelpful or almost as invasive as sharing your precise location.
      - gabereiser 3y ago
        There are entire counties here in the US with the same zip code. Varying by miles. So yeah, it’s not a reliable source of location for delivery purposes without a complete address.
        wlonkly 3y ago
        It fails in the other direction in Canada, where a specific postal code works like a 9+4 zip code, in that it might identify one side of one block of a street, so it doesn't give you much additional privacy through precision loss anyway.
        gabereiser 3y ago
        The US does that too in most places. 5+4 zip codes. It's still not enough and suffers the same precision issues and we (the USA) are woefully ill-prepared for the housing build out boom that will happen in the next decade. We need a better system. We will exhaust our zip codes like we have our IPv4 addresses.
        wlonkly 3y ago
- salawat 3y ago
  You wish it wasn't like that, yet you helped build one of the cornerstones that enabled it to become that way. Curious. I'm getting mixed messages here. Is this an example of "I knew not what I was doing", or what? I eval projects I'll assist by thinking of applications 2 or three times removed from the project prospectus exactly to not unknowingly further the ends of a surveillance state.
  - gabereiser 3y ago
    I like location api’s, otherwise we wouldn’t have turn by turn directions, maps, trail guides, etc. I don’t like location tracking for the purposes of advertisements, proximity correlation, geofencing targeting, and location sharing without consent.

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LeifCarrotson 3y ago

Why can't you just select a particular McDonald's, set a (first-party, essential) cookie to say that address is "my restaurant" and then show nutrition facts/delivery destination with that location? You don't need to know which room in my house I'm sitting in to tell me how many calories are in a McChicken.

gabereiser 3y ago
Mobile app uses location API’s provided by the device. No cookies necessary and plays nice with Apple’s anti-cookie tracking App Store policy.

jimmydddd 3y ago

I noticed Dunkin' has the just in time feature. It asks if you want your order to wait until you get closer to the location.

gabereiser 3y ago
Depending on the stores “load”. Exactly. It will hold onto your order until you are close enough for them to start making it and be done when you arrive. It requires knowing the turn-around time, business of location, distance, traffic, order length, estimated time to completion, and of course - your payment authorization. Not all brands show this but all brands do this.

kazinator 3y ago

> The sourced ingredients are indeed regional. "Yeah but", do you need Google Maps do do the geolocation?

gabereiser 3y ago
When using a browser, that’s the location api that was available at the time. Was there a better option in 2013?
- cuu508 3y ago
  GeoIP databases, <input> and <select> elements.
- kazinator 3y ago
  - Ask the user to select a location. I may want to know the nutritional facts about an item somewhere else. Say I'm traveling there. - Have websites in different countries: like if I go to macdonalds.co.jp, I get the nutritional facts in Japanese about the Japanese Big Mac. Geolocation is rude, lame and broken.
  - gabereiser 3y ago
    >Ask the user to select a location. I may want to know the nutritional facts about an item somewhere else. Say I'm traveling there. At the time, it was only National in the USA. You could lookup different stores to get menus after the app determined your closest store. >Have websites in different countries: like if I go to macdonalds.co.jp, I get the nutritional facts in Japanese about the Japanese Big Mac. I believe they do this now. At the time it was implemented, there wasn’t a bias like there is today against location API’s. They hadn’t been used (yet) for tracking purposes outside of maps and what we were doing. No ad based geo fencing and location sharing. The big issue is QSR’s are fast food. Fast food must be fast. Under 10 minutes. Any select, drop down, input box to enter in your address, added extra complexity to the checkout ordering process during our focus groups. Having an image of the item, add to order, checkout to nearest store, results in a 10x reduction in ordering time. It makes the user experience of the ordering process streamlined and smooth and operational from your vehicle with one hand. I would build the same system today.

cosmotic 3y ago

I find mcdonalds won't let me submit my order until I'm on the same block, and it adds an extra step during ordering, and it makes the app janky. I then have to wait while they prepare. This is not an improvement over the non geotracked version. I specifically order starbucks long before I get there because I prefer their hot food to cool down before I eat. Mcdonalds takes that agency away.

gabereiser 3y ago
I do not take responsibility for the current state, only the tech that enabled us to be there. I personally do not eat at McDonald’s.