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> the Plasma debacle I'm not familiar with it. Can you elaborate? > ... but I don't remember it getting something this basic wrong 1. It's only "wrong" becau

> the Plasma debacle I'm not familiar with it. Can you elaborate? > ... but I don't remember it getting something this basic wrong 1. It's only "wrong" because windows has been doing the double click way. In terms of accessibility, I'd argue double click is actually kinda bad, consider how people with joint issue may have trouble double clicking quick enough to register it. (Yes, you can adjust the speed, but this setting wouldn't even be needed if it's single click in the first place.) Imagine how annoying it would be if mobile device and <button/> all require double click/double tap, or even double-enter just to open a file. 2. Most of the Linux distro configured it into double click, anyway. Probably the reason why you don't remember it being a thing. 3. Steam Deck, on the other hand, only need single tap if you use touch screen.

Agingcoder 3y ago
Yes, I’ve been using single click for years including on windows because of rsi issues.
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  And I hate single click because I have a tendency to accidentally click, and for me double click is, for now, a trivial extra step. Great thing about KDE (and others) is it's configurable. I don't particularly care which is default though, but being used to Windows it's of course nice for me to have one less step to tweak. However given it's easier for me to change than someone with disabilities, I wouldn't mind single click staying default.
noisem4ker 3y ago
>> the Plasma debacle > I'm not familiar with it. Can you elaborate? Plasma was introduced as the name for KDE's actual DE component (distinct from apps and frameworks) with KDE 4, a major version which was released too early in development and alienated many users due to bugs and missing features compared to KDE 3, hence the "debacle".
- bachmeier 3y ago
  There was that, but if only that, it wouldn't have blown up like it did. They intentionally released it early so they could get more people testing it. They didn't label it as a test, and when called out, they had an unpleasant attitude about ungrateful users. There was also a (perceived) push to kill off KDE 3. For most of us, it wasn't important enough to get involved in a drama, so we went elsewhere and lived happily ever after.
  - Takennickname 3y ago
    Dunno what you mean by moved elsewhere and lived happily ever after. Gnome was going through its gnome 2 to gnome 3 nonsense at the same time
    - bachmeier 3y ago
      Maybe I should have said "moved elsewhere and didn't spend additional energy thinking about KDE 4". Some went to distros with plans to continue supporting KDE 3, some went to XFCE, and some (not me) even thought Gnome 3 was nice. Recall as well that Gnome 2 was still around and supported, and then Mate kept it going. That's what I'm using as I type this. Edit: BTW, the Trinity DE is still active, so you can still use KDE 3.
- IshKebab 3y ago
  It was a long time ago so my memory may not quite be right, but basically KDE 3 was quite mature and powerful. The aesthetics were reasonable - no where near Gnome which looked really good back then, but still decent. Then they released KDE 4 with "Plasma" which had a lot of half baked UI experiments that looked terrible and basically everyone hated. They really didn't listen to users at all, and just pushed through stuff that made no sense at all. They broke a lot of the desktop UI because they added the stupid goal of making it work on tablets too (they were the hot new stuff at the time), despite the very obvious fact that nobody was going to buy a KDE tablet. They even tried to sell one for a while! It's a little like Gnome's mad decision to move menus to a hamburger, despite that making no sense and essentially everyone hating it. Probably the thing that characterised the situation most was the "kidney bean". Something the internet seems to have wilfully forgotten (the only reference I can find to it is a comment on LxQT "remember the awful kidney bean?", but you can see it in this screenshot: https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.1.0/ https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.1.0/ It's the button at the top right. I can't even remember what it was supposed to do, but it was always there, everyone hated it, you couldn't remove it, and they refused to budge. Of course it was eventually removed. Look at the terrible styling in that screenshot too. Compare it to GNOME: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_2#/media/File:Gnome-2.18-screenshot1.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_2#/media/File:Gnome-2.18... Essentially they took a system that people liked and changed a load of things in obviously terrible ways, and then refused to budge when people said they didn't like it.

Agingcoder 3y ago

Yes, I’ve been using single click for years including on windows because of rsi issues.

magicalhippo 3y ago
And I hate single click because I have a tendency to accidentally click, and for me double click is, for now, a trivial extra step. Great thing about KDE (and others) is it's configurable. I don't particularly care which is default though, but being used to Windows it's of course nice for me to have one less step to tweak. However given it's easier for me to change than someone with disabilities, I wouldn't mind single click staying default.

noisem4ker 3y ago

>> the Plasma debacle > I'm not familiar with it. Can you elaborate? Plasma was introduced as the name for KDE's actual DE component (distinct from apps and frameworks) with KDE 4, a major version which was released too early in development and alienated many users due to bugs and missing features compared to KDE 3, hence the "debacle".

bachmeier 3y ago
There was that, but if only that, it wouldn't have blown up like it did. They intentionally released it early so they could get more people testing it. They didn't label it as a test, and when called out, they had an unpleasant attitude about ungrateful users. There was also a (perceived) push to kill off KDE 3. For most of us, it wasn't important enough to get involved in a drama, so we went elsewhere and lived happily ever after.
- Takennickname 3y ago
  Dunno what you mean by moved elsewhere and lived happily ever after. Gnome was going through its gnome 2 to gnome 3 nonsense at the same time
  - bachmeier 3y ago
    Maybe I should have said "moved elsewhere and didn't spend additional energy thinking about KDE 4". Some went to distros with plans to continue supporting KDE 3, some went to XFCE, and some (not me) even thought Gnome 3 was nice. Recall as well that Gnome 2 was still around and supported, and then Mate kept it going. That's what I'm using as I type this. Edit: BTW, the Trinity DE is still active, so you can still use KDE 3.
IshKebab 3y ago
It was a long time ago so my memory may not quite be right, but basically KDE 3 was quite mature and powerful. The aesthetics were reasonable - no where near Gnome which looked really good back then, but still decent. Then they released KDE 4 with "Plasma" which had a lot of half baked UI experiments that looked terrible and basically everyone hated. They really didn't listen to users at all, and just pushed through stuff that made no sense at all. They broke a lot of the desktop UI because they added the stupid goal of making it work on tablets too (they were the hot new stuff at the time), despite the very obvious fact that nobody was going to buy a KDE tablet. They even tried to sell one for a while! It's a little like Gnome's mad decision to move menus to a hamburger, despite that making no sense and essentially everyone hating it. Probably the thing that characterised the situation most was the "kidney bean". Something the internet seems to have wilfully forgotten (the only reference I can find to it is a comment on LxQT "remember the awful kidney bean?", but you can see it in this screenshot: https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.1.0/ https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.1.0/ It's the button at the top right. I can't even remember what it was supposed to do, but it was always there, everyone hated it, you couldn't remove it, and they refused to budge. Of course it was eventually removed. Look at the terrible styling in that screenshot too. Compare it to GNOME: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_2#/media/File:Gnome-2.18-screenshot1.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_2#/media/File:Gnome-2.18... Essentially they took a system that people liked and changed a load of things in obviously terrible ways, and then refused to budge when people said they didn't like it.