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If you are talking about guns and call a magazine a clip, even in a casual setting, you would be instantly made fun of for not knowing what you are talking abou

by alexb_ 3y ago

If you are talking about guns and call a magazine a clip, even in a casual setting, you would be instantly made fun of for not knowing what you are talking about. Pop culture absolutely has not given these things two names. Calling a suppressor a "silencer" is just incorrect.

NoraCodes 3y ago
That you dislike it when people use incorrect but clear language does not mean that it invalidates their point.
Humboldtsnee 3y ago
My guy, I'm in a gun organization. I'm aware. But most folks call it a clip because that's what movies and videogames have called them for 40 years. "Throw me a clip!" Or picking up "clips" of ammo in FPS games. Yes, mag is becoming more common now, but clip was absolutely common.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  > But most folks call it a clip because that's what movies and videogames have called them for 40 years. This is precisely the point. Perhaps there is something illegal about these sales but why should I assume this is the case when the author incorrectly implies the existence of gun ads itself is illegal and use video game and movie terminology to talk about them?
  - TimSchumann 3y ago
    Shouldn’t you base that judgement on the validity of their argument, and not discard the argument outright because of some semantics around the author not using ‘pure’ enough language for you?
- semi-extrinsic 3y ago
  I believe they are used fairly interchangeably in colloquial speech. E.g. "Full clip, do you wanna mess with this?" (Guru and Premier, 1999) "I'm like two magazines fully-loaded to your one" (ibid.)
  - numpad0 3y ago
    They're different technologies. Maybe there could be a "ammunition holding feature" superclass that both belongs. Clips don't have springs, and are used to tidy ammunition, and to aid loading magazines. Old rifles and some revolvers had clip compatibility to aid loading internal magazine. At some point the military stopped using old rifles and some revolvers, making removable magazines far more common. But that is not even remotely relevant to the topic. The original article don't even use the word "silencer", nor "suppressor", let alone "clip".
    - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
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delecti 3y ago
There are different kinds of casual settings. In my social circle, if you criticized someone for calling a magazine a clip, you would be instantly made fun of for being such a pedantic nuisance. A clearly left-leaning media outlet like this is likely targeting an audience more like my social circle than ones who would be pedantic about silencer/suppressor or clip/magazine. A lack of precision is only really a problem when it would cause confusion. In the context of the article, nobody is confused about what they mean by "silencer". A good example of this is that, even while complaining about calling them "silencers" rather than suppressors, the top comment still didn't have any confusion about what was being discussed.
- alexb_ 3y ago
  > In the context of the article, nobody is confused about what they mean by "silencer". People are confused as to believing the idea that any device which makes a gun silent exists.
  - delecti 3y ago
    But that distinction isn't relevant to the discussion of instagram ads.
  - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
    Even my most gun averse friends don't think a silencer makes a gun silent.
    - stickfigure 3y ago
      Apparently none of your friends work in Hollywood.
      - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
        Sure, movies portray suppressors as incredible magic devices, but everyone I know thinks this is fiction.
      - 3y ago
rdl 3y ago
The legal term in the NFA is "Silencer", and the original items were in fact called "Silencers".
stuaxo 3y ago
A large part of the world is made up of people that don't live around guns or know the proper names of their parts - living in the UK, the majority of people I know wouldn't know this, I bet it's the same for most of the people in Europe and Asia too.
0xcde4c3db 3y ago
It's similarly incorrect to call a Ryzen 9 7950X3D a "chip", but if you complained about it, even on a hardcore PC enthusiast forum, you'd probably be downvoted and mocked for being uselessly pedantic.

by alexb_ 3y ago

NoraCodes 3y ago

That you dislike it when people use incorrect but clear language does not mean that it invalidates their point.

Humboldtsnee 3y ago

My guy, I'm in a gun organization. I'm aware. But most folks call it a clip because that's what movies and videogames have called them for 40 years. "Throw me a clip!" Or picking up "clips" of ammo in FPS games. Yes, mag is becoming more common now, but clip was absolutely common.

nonethewiser 3y ago
> But most folks call it a clip because that's what movies and videogames have called them for 40 years. This is precisely the point. Perhaps there is something illegal about these sales but why should I assume this is the case when the author incorrectly implies the existence of gun ads itself is illegal and use video game and movie terminology to talk about them?
- TimSchumann 3y ago
  Shouldn’t you base that judgement on the validity of their argument, and not discard the argument outright because of some semantics around the author not using ‘pure’ enough language for you?
semi-extrinsic 3y ago
I believe they are used fairly interchangeably in colloquial speech. E.g. "Full clip, do you wanna mess with this?" (Guru and Premier, 1999) "I'm like two magazines fully-loaded to your one" (ibid.)
- numpad0 3y ago
  They're different technologies. Maybe there could be a "ammunition holding feature" superclass that both belongs. Clips don't have springs, and are used to tidy ammunition, and to aid loading magazines. Old rifles and some revolvers had clip compatibility to aid loading internal magazine. At some point the military stopped using old rifles and some revolvers, making removable magazines far more common. But that is not even remotely relevant to the topic. The original article don't even use the word "silencer", nor "suppressor", let alone "clip".
  - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
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delecti 3y ago

There are different kinds of casual settings. In my social circle, if you criticized someone for calling a magazine a clip, you would be instantly made fun of for being such a pedantic nuisance. A clearly left-leaning media outlet like this is likely targeting an audience more like my social circle than ones who would be pedantic about silencer/suppressor or clip/magazine. A lack of precision is only really a problem when it would cause confusion. In the context of the article, nobody is confused about what they mean by "silencer". A good example of this is that, even while complaining about calling them "silencers" rather than suppressors, the top comment still didn't have any confusion about what was being discussed.

alexb_ 3y ago
> In the context of the article, nobody is confused about what they mean by "silencer". People are confused as to believing the idea that any device which makes a gun silent exists.
- delecti 3y ago
  But that distinction isn't relevant to the discussion of instagram ads.
- Humboldtsnee 3y ago
  Even my most gun averse friends don't think a silencer makes a gun silent.
  - stickfigure 3y ago
    Apparently none of your friends work in Hollywood.
    - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
      Sure, movies portray suppressors as incredible magic devices, but everyone I know thinks this is fiction.
    - 3y ago

rdl 3y ago

The legal term in the NFA is "Silencer", and the original items were in fact called "Silencers".

stuaxo 3y ago

A large part of the world is made up of people that don't live around guns or know the proper names of their parts - living in the UK, the majority of people I know wouldn't know this, I bet it's the same for most of the people in Europe and Asia too.

0xcde4c3db 3y ago

It's similarly incorrect to call a Ryzen 9 7950X3D a "chip", but if you complained about it, even on a hardcore PC enthusiast forum, you'd probably be downvoted and mocked for being uselessly pedantic.