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At least it’s something. The alternative today in the US is nothing. It’s easy for us to discuss the morality of this when we have a cushy wage and cushy benefi

At least it’s something. The alternative today in the US is nothing. It’s easy for us to discuss the morality of this when we have a cushy wage and cushy benefits. A lot of Americans cannot afford the deductible or even have insurance. While the obvious “least dangerous” and most moral solution is universal healthcare but that’s not happening anytime soon for anyone younger than 65. There’s little push back probably because most people here understand this. Something while dangerous is better than nothing.

lemper 3y ago
I can't wait to read a dude who put a noose on himself because of advice from this model on the news.
- 1024core 3y ago
  If you can convince such a model to suggest such a course of action, please blog about it.
- samueldyson10 3y ago
  Oh, please don't be so pessimistic. Just like old generation used to say Google and Facebook will kill a lot of people. Do you think Google Search suggestion for any medical-related are all true? But, people still search for their problems and self-diagnose. How many of them suffered for that?
- robotnikman 3y ago
  This has already happened unfortunately https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/03/31/man-ends-his-life-after-an-ai-chatbot-encouraged-him-to-sacrifice-himself-to-stop-climate- https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/03/31/man-ends-his-life-a...
  - lemper 3y ago
    good lord in heaven. my expectations were low but this one takes the cake.
ddingus 3y ago
That argument isn't good enough. And I agree with you it really sucks in the usa. And maybe we all need to be talking to everyone else about fixing that. I'm down for that conversation anytime any day. It is profoundly irresponsible to basically encourage people to self-diagnose. It's going to kill a number of them too. That's no joke.
- bigyikes 3y ago
  How about the opportunity cost of people dying because they don’t have access to any treatment? It can be very challenging to find a qualified professional, even if you have the necessary funds, insurance, and determination. LLM mental health treatment can’t come soon enough.
  - ddingus 3y ago
    Yes, it is ugly! The thing is bad actors are essentially forcing arguably unethical tools onto people in need. Our current Healthcare struggle is completely unnecessary. A good percentage of our economic struggles are equally unnecessary. The only reason we are even having these discussions is too many people with means are not employing those means in ways that make it worth allowing said means at all. Greed, psychopaths, ignorance and more are the problem. People are saying: Basic health care can't come soon enough. Drug price reform can't... Mental health You get the idea. I get it. Lots of us are desperate. I lost a home over this health care shit. Basically traded more time with my wife for our home. Brutal as fuck. I currently pay close to $2k in premiums and have difficulty finding options because I fall into what Franken called the "doughnut hole." Have considered some sort of crime, or leaving the country many times too. Like I said, ugly.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    > LLM mental health treatment can’t come soon enough. If you think LLMs perform at a level that they can help resolve the mental health crisis in the US, you are very much a part of that problem. They can’t even always produce functional code without heavy steering, let alone negotiate the fraught domain of psychological and psychiatric health. Foisting people in crisis off on unpredictable text generation engines is IMO a textbook example of the fundamentally anti-social character of American society that produces so many of the mental health problems that this country faces.
jasonhansel 3y ago
This could well be much worse than nothing.
- panagathon 3y ago
  If your leg gets blown off, and the only help you're getting is from Gary, who claims a strong stomach and has used a needle kit before, for sewing closed your femoral artery, I reckon you're taking a swing. Are you sure the desperate don't deserve this attempt to help them? I can't imagine what it must be like to have such issues and have zero professional options to turn to, and you know what the solution for many is.
  - jasonhansel 3y ago
    A bad therapist could be substantially worse than no treatment for mental health issues, particularly if people see it as more authoritative than it is.
    - kgfiohgon 3y ago
      100% It took me far too long to realize that the first psychiatrist I saw was pushing me in the opposite direction that I wanted my life to go. I had no context and blindly trusted her as an expert. Other therapists have since told me that what I was told my first psychiatrist was unhelpful, unethical, and even malpractice. No person (other than myself) has harmed my life as much as that psychiatrist. And I got to pay a small fortune for the terrible experience.
  - squeaky-clean 3y ago
    What if your leg is just sore, and Gary swears it's actually been blown off and he needs to operate immediately?
  - haldujai 3y ago
    Except if your leg is blown off every hospital in the US is legally required to treat you whether or not you have insurance or even if you’re homeless, so Gary is not your only option.

lemper 3y ago

I can't wait to read a dude who put a noose on himself because of advice from this model on the news.

1024core 3y ago
If you can convince such a model to suggest such a course of action, please blog about it.
samueldyson10 3y ago
Oh, please don't be so pessimistic. Just like old generation used to say Google and Facebook will kill a lot of people. Do you think Google Search suggestion for any medical-related are all true? But, people still search for their problems and self-diagnose. How many of them suffered for that?
robotnikman 3y ago
This has already happened unfortunately https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/03/31/man-ends-his-life-after-an-ai-chatbot-encouraged-him-to-sacrifice-himself-to-stop-climate- https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/03/31/man-ends-his-life-a...
- lemper 3y ago
  good lord in heaven. my expectations were low but this one takes the cake.

ddingus 3y ago

That argument isn't good enough. And I agree with you it really sucks in the usa. And maybe we all need to be talking to everyone else about fixing that. I'm down for that conversation anytime any day. It is profoundly irresponsible to basically encourage people to self-diagnose. It's going to kill a number of them too. That's no joke.

bigyikes 3y ago
How about the opportunity cost of people dying because they don’t have access to any treatment? It can be very challenging to find a qualified professional, even if you have the necessary funds, insurance, and determination. LLM mental health treatment can’t come soon enough.
- ddingus 3y ago
  Yes, it is ugly! The thing is bad actors are essentially forcing arguably unethical tools onto people in need. Our current Healthcare struggle is completely unnecessary. A good percentage of our economic struggles are equally unnecessary. The only reason we are even having these discussions is too many people with means are not employing those means in ways that make it worth allowing said means at all. Greed, psychopaths, ignorance and more are the problem. People are saying: Basic health care can't come soon enough. Drug price reform can't... Mental health You get the idea. I get it. Lots of us are desperate. I lost a home over this health care shit. Basically traded more time with my wife for our home. Brutal as fuck. I currently pay close to $2k in premiums and have difficulty finding options because I fall into what Franken called the "doughnut hole." Have considered some sort of crime, or leaving the country many times too. Like I said, ugly.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  > LLM mental health treatment can’t come soon enough. If you think LLMs perform at a level that they can help resolve the mental health crisis in the US, you are very much a part of that problem. They can’t even always produce functional code without heavy steering, let alone negotiate the fraught domain of psychological and psychiatric health. Foisting people in crisis off on unpredictable text generation engines is IMO a textbook example of the fundamentally anti-social character of American society that produces so many of the mental health problems that this country faces.

jasonhansel 3y ago

This could well be much worse than nothing.

panagathon 3y ago
If your leg gets blown off, and the only help you're getting is from Gary, who claims a strong stomach and has used a needle kit before, for sewing closed your femoral artery, I reckon you're taking a swing. Are you sure the desperate don't deserve this attempt to help them? I can't imagine what it must be like to have such issues and have zero professional options to turn to, and you know what the solution for many is.
- jasonhansel 3y ago
  A bad therapist could be substantially worse than no treatment for mental health issues, particularly if people see it as more authoritative than it is.
  - kgfiohgon 3y ago
    100% It took me far too long to realize that the first psychiatrist I saw was pushing me in the opposite direction that I wanted my life to go. I had no context and blindly trusted her as an expert. Other therapists have since told me that what I was told my first psychiatrist was unhelpful, unethical, and even malpractice. No person (other than myself) has harmed my life as much as that psychiatrist. And I got to pay a small fortune for the terrible experience.
- squeaky-clean 3y ago
  What if your leg is just sore, and Gary swears it's actually been blown off and he needs to operate immediately?
- haldujai 3y ago
  Except if your leg is blown off every hospital in the US is legally required to treat you whether or not you have insurance or even if you’re homeless, so Gary is not your only option.