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I think that right there is the crux of the problem. To think yourself harmed because of what some strange is looking at in their own home is quite a bit odd.

I think that right there is the crux of the problem. To think yourself harmed because of what some strange is looking at in their own home is quite a bit odd. If I knew that someone had a naked painting of me on their wall and they were masterbating to it right now, should I really be bothered by that? Am I supposed to care what is in the head of a stranger?

Hizonner 3y ago
Maybe, maybe not. If there are a bunch of strangers out there trading around the pictures and discussing, in graphic terms, what they'd like to do to you, maybe more likely. Especially when most of them seem to have no particular interest in thinking about what you might or might not be into. ... and especially if some of them are actively stalking you in real life, or if you tend to get stalked in real life in general. Which roughly 100 percent of major actresses do, and a nontrivial percentage of just random women. Creepy stalkers or worse are going to be heavily overrepresented among the people who produce or consume this material... and women who have actually been stalked are going to be overrepresented among the subjects. Oh, and by the way, if you were raised female, you're also pretty likely to have had experiences where (1) a bunch of people treated you as valuable only for your sexual potential, and acted disappointed or even angry if you did anything that reduced their ability to fantasize about how they wanted to use that potential; and (2) another bunch of people told you you were a worthless slut if you did anything sexual they didn't like. That can affect a person. I'm actually not ready to ban things, but I am not going to delude myself that there's no downside to that.
- joker_minmax 3y ago
  Exactly, the issue is that you become a product in the eyes of others, and now realistic images of that product are clicks away. And it alters how you interface with the people around you and how they interface with you.
joker_minmax 3y ago
If you find a naked painting of yourself and tissues in the floor in your friend's house please report back on exactly how that made you feel and exactly how you decided to proceed with the friendship. I am very interested to hear the results. For most people I think they would be disturbed to find this, and it's easy to theorize how you wouldn't be bothered until something like this actually happens to you.

Hizonner 3y ago

Maybe, maybe not. If there are a bunch of strangers out there trading around the pictures and discussing, in graphic terms, what they'd like to do to you, maybe more likely. Especially when most of them seem to have no particular interest in thinking about what you might or might not be into. ... and especially if some of them are actively stalking you in real life, or if you tend to get stalked in real life in general. Which roughly 100 percent of major actresses do, and a nontrivial percentage of just random women. Creepy stalkers or worse are going to be heavily overrepresented among the people who produce or consume this material... and women who have actually been stalked are going to be overrepresented among the subjects. Oh, and by the way, if you were raised female, you're also pretty likely to have had experiences where (1) a bunch of people treated you as valuable only for your sexual potential, and acted disappointed or even angry if you did anything that reduced their ability to fantasize about how they wanted to use that potential; and (2) another bunch of people told you you were a worthless slut if you did anything sexual they didn't like. That can affect a person. I'm actually not ready to ban things, but I am not going to delude myself that there's no downside to that.

joker_minmax 3y ago
Exactly, the issue is that you become a product in the eyes of others, and now realistic images of that product are clicks away. And it alters how you interface with the people around you and how they interface with you.

joker_minmax 3y ago

If you find a naked painting of yourself and tissues in the floor in your friend's house please report back on exactly how that made you feel and exactly how you decided to proceed with the friendship. I am very interested to hear the results. For most people I think they would be disturbed to find this, and it's easy to theorize how you wouldn't be bothered until something like this actually happens to you.