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I think people might need to put the pitchforks down. It's a preview release, and we have 0 information on the systems in question. You can easily avoid the i

by tw04 3y ago

I think people might need to put the pitchforks down. It's a preview release, and we have 0 information on the systems in question. You can easily avoid the issue by not participating in the early release program. Finding issues like this is literally why the preview program exists. Should they have caught this with internal testing? Maybe, we don't have enough information to know.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Agreed, vitriol not required. Still, Microsoft gutted their internal testing, so they hold some blame for disastrous failure, even during preview.
- Stranger43 3y ago
  It's always puzzled me how much <insert appropriate epithet here> people are willing to take from Microsoft for products they pay good money for, without ever considering that there might be an world where not everyone buys their software from the same vendor.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Almost nobody buys Windows though. The vast majority of users get given a laptop with windows on it from work, where the robust AD system is pretty great, though O365 is a letdown in a lot of ways, and the rest get Windows pre-installed on their laptops from the store, where microsoft gives OEMs a sick deal. The only people who "buy" Windows are those who build their own gaming machine. Even then, they usually buy a sketchy "volume license" key off ebay. I bought windows retail, because I actually like the Windows kernel, and despise running pretty much any install of Linux that isn't just a command line to boot daemons and web servers from. I use my computer every single goddamn day, and don't ever want it to randomly break, which Linux has always done to me. The steam deck is the first Linux install that hasn't been utterly useless or shit the bed on me. Every single problem I have had in Windows has been caused by shitty hardware, or AMDs abysmal drivers.
    - Stranger43 3y ago
      Thats kind of not true, someone bought windows(and not as cheap as people think) it's just that nobody really sees it as something different from the computer because it's bundled. Enterprises pay a surprising amount of money to Microsoft usually in the form of monthly/annual pr user licenses(to the time of double digit percentages of the end user device budget) and yet no amount of badness seem to make anyone in those Enterprise departments think that they have any alternative and it's the same in the laptop space, where despite having to fork out whats often a double digit percentage of the retail price to Microsoft there is no serious appetite from hardware vendors or consumers to consider that maybe we could have a market where multiple Operating systems coexisted. And your driver argument is exactly the weirdness here as people will absolutely hold anyone but Microsoft(especially smaller opensource competitors) responsible for bad drivers but with windows it's suddenly an valid excuse for bad experiences with windows.
ramblerman 3y ago
I'm torn on this. I'm really happy with where MS is going, I think they have been killing it with vs code, chatgpt integration, and I was quite bullish on the surface pros. But after having owned one for 1 month, they were still a real disaster in the OS area. I "subscribed" to the preview track, and had to reformat my pc twice. It was a fricking disaster. I'm back on osx now, having sold the surface pro. Hardware and OS is still very much their weakpoint imo. It's like the whole OS is designed by product owners working on macbook pros (which apparantly isn't far from the truth)
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  I've sworn off Windows as an OS after multiple dealbreakers: advertisements in the OS, and hard reboots with no warning. I understand there are workarounds - such as buying a non-personal Windows license, and fiddling with the registry - but that's like selling me a car that'll shut its engine off on the highway and force me to listen to its own advertisements while I'm using a bluetooth device, and assuring me that I can adjust the behavior. If I know how. If I even know that's possible. If I'm willing to pay more.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    Yeah, running insiders and seeing an advert in the start menu search was the final straw for me. I've used it for work a couple times, but mostly choose Mac, only because the corp apple experience isn't as bad as corp Windows can get.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > I "subscribed" to the preview track, and had to reformat my pc twice. It was a fricking disaster. I'm back on osx Are you tracking the pre-release versions of MacOS?
- laserdancepony 3y ago
  > I "subscribed" to the preview track, and had to reformat my pc twice. "I subscribed to test betas and they were unstable. Thanks Bill Gates!"
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toasteros 3y ago
Indeed no pitchforks, but I can see where some concern has come from. On the release of Windows 11 it was stated that only newer Intel and AMD generations were to be officially supported and while workarounds are built in (literally a registry flag in the installer) to install on even a Pentium 4 [1], they came with a warning from Microsoft that installations in such environments "may not receive updates". Is it therefore possible that this bug check is being implemented as part of the journey towards actually dropping "support" for these CPUs? Indeed, it's a preview release, and the Insider program is amazing for getting insight into Windows development and it shouldn't be held up to the same level of journalistic scrutiny as a sanctioned general release, but I can absolutely see why this particular change may have raised some eyebrows. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivrlU73VcHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivrlU73VcHw
- tracker1 3y ago
  I was on insiders for years, switched for WSL1... I switched over to using Linux as my personal desktop OS when I first say ad results in the Windows start menu search. It may have been preview, but was just one thing too far that someone would even consider it. I still have a windows drive in my desktop, I only booted into it once a few months ago to update my ssd/nvme firmware (samsung bugfix).
- tw04 3y ago
  > Is it therefore possible that this bug check is being implemented as part of the journey towards actually dropping "support" for these CPUs? That seems entirely possible. That being said, I'm not sure I'm going to be upset about them dropping support for a 20-year old CPU built on an architecture that I think is pretty widely accepted as a failure.
  - auguzanellato 3y ago
    > I'm not sure I'm going to be upset about them dropping support for a 20-year old CPU Windows 11 doesn’t support CPUs that are 6 years old (Intel 7th gen) that are still ok by today standards
  - 3y ago
summerlight 3y ago
The problem is that they're not meeting their own baseline standard. ~10 years ago, MS didn't frequently make these kinds of issues even in the early release program. I suspect something's broken in their Windows org.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>I think people might need to put the pitchforks down. It's a preview release, and we have 0 information on the systems in question. Yeah, but making this info clear in the title doesn't drive the pitchfork driven clickbait FUD that seems to be invading HN lately. Nearly half of Windows 11 related topics I read here lately were mistakenly titled or factually wrong, and yet full of rage comments of people who haven't even read the article, or don't even use Windows, but came by to tell everyone they use Arch or MacOS.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  >drive the pitchfork driven clickbait FUD that seems to be invading HN lately. This isn't "lately", HN has been this way since at least 2017 when I started reading. If you didn't notice it, that's on you. Almost nobody has ever read the articles on HN.
Already__Taken 3y ago
I think if you manually hit widows update, you get the preview updates. no extra opt in

by tw04 3y ago

JoeAltmaier 3y ago

Agreed, vitriol not required. Still, Microsoft gutted their internal testing, so they hold some blame for disastrous failure, even during preview.

Stranger43 3y ago
It's always puzzled me how much <insert appropriate epithet here> people are willing to take from Microsoft for products they pay good money for, without ever considering that there might be an world where not everyone buys their software from the same vendor.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Almost nobody buys Windows though. The vast majority of users get given a laptop with windows on it from work, where the robust AD system is pretty great, though O365 is a letdown in a lot of ways, and the rest get Windows pre-installed on their laptops from the store, where microsoft gives OEMs a sick deal. The only people who "buy" Windows are those who build their own gaming machine. Even then, they usually buy a sketchy "volume license" key off ebay. I bought windows retail, because I actually like the Windows kernel, and despise running pretty much any install of Linux that isn't just a command line to boot daemons and web servers from. I use my computer every single goddamn day, and don't ever want it to randomly break, which Linux has always done to me. The steam deck is the first Linux install that hasn't been utterly useless or shit the bed on me. Every single problem I have had in Windows has been caused by shitty hardware, or AMDs abysmal drivers.
  - Stranger43 3y ago
    Thats kind of not true, someone bought windows(and not as cheap as people think) it's just that nobody really sees it as something different from the computer because it's bundled. Enterprises pay a surprising amount of money to Microsoft usually in the form of monthly/annual pr user licenses(to the time of double digit percentages of the end user device budget) and yet no amount of badness seem to make anyone in those Enterprise departments think that they have any alternative and it's the same in the laptop space, where despite having to fork out whats often a double digit percentage of the retail price to Microsoft there is no serious appetite from hardware vendors or consumers to consider that maybe we could have a market where multiple Operating systems coexisted. And your driver argument is exactly the weirdness here as people will absolutely hold anyone but Microsoft(especially smaller opensource competitors) responsible for bad drivers but with windows it's suddenly an valid excuse for bad experiences with windows.

ramblerman 3y ago

I'm torn on this. I'm really happy with where MS is going, I think they have been killing it with vs code, chatgpt integration, and I was quite bullish on the surface pros. But after having owned one for 1 month, they were still a real disaster in the OS area. I "subscribed" to the preview track, and had to reformat my pc twice. It was a fricking disaster. I'm back on osx now, having sold the surface pro. Hardware and OS is still very much their weakpoint imo. It's like the whole OS is designed by product owners working on macbook pros (which apparantly isn't far from the truth)

pavel_lishin 3y ago
I've sworn off Windows as an OS after multiple dealbreakers: advertisements in the OS, and hard reboots with no warning. I understand there are workarounds - such as buying a non-personal Windows license, and fiddling with the registry - but that's like selling me a car that'll shut its engine off on the highway and force me to listen to its own advertisements while I'm using a bluetooth device, and assuring me that I can adjust the behavior. If I know how. If I even know that's possible. If I'm willing to pay more.
- tracker1 3y ago
  Yeah, running insiders and seeing an advert in the start menu search was the final straw for me. I've used it for work a couple times, but mostly choose Mac, only because the corp apple experience isn't as bad as corp Windows can get.
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> I "subscribed" to the preview track, and had to reformat my pc twice. It was a fricking disaster. I'm back on osx Are you tracking the pre-release versions of MacOS?
laserdancepony 3y ago
> I "subscribed" to the preview track, and had to reformat my pc twice. "I subscribed to test betas and they were unstable. Thanks Bill Gates!"

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toasteros 3y ago

Indeed no pitchforks, but I can see where some concern has come from. On the release of Windows 11 it was stated that only newer Intel and AMD generations were to be officially supported and while workarounds are built in (literally a registry flag in the installer) to install on even a Pentium 4 [1], they came with a warning from Microsoft that installations in such environments "may not receive updates". Is it therefore possible that this bug check is being implemented as part of the journey towards actually dropping "support" for these CPUs? Indeed, it's a preview release, and the Insider program is amazing for getting insight into Windows development and it shouldn't be held up to the same level of journalistic scrutiny as a sanctioned general release, but I can absolutely see why this particular change may have raised some eyebrows. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivrlU73VcHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivrlU73VcHw

tracker1 3y ago
I was on insiders for years, switched for WSL1... I switched over to using Linux as my personal desktop OS when I first say ad results in the Windows start menu search. It may have been preview, but was just one thing too far that someone would even consider it. I still have a windows drive in my desktop, I only booted into it once a few months ago to update my ssd/nvme firmware (samsung bugfix).
tw04 3y ago
> Is it therefore possible that this bug check is being implemented as part of the journey towards actually dropping "support" for these CPUs? That seems entirely possible. That being said, I'm not sure I'm going to be upset about them dropping support for a 20-year old CPU built on an architecture that I think is pretty widely accepted as a failure.
- auguzanellato 3y ago
  > I'm not sure I'm going to be upset about them dropping support for a 20-year old CPU Windows 11 doesn’t support CPUs that are 6 years old (Intel 7th gen) that are still ok by today standards
- 3y ago

summerlight 3y ago

The problem is that they're not meeting their own baseline standard. ~10 years ago, MS didn't frequently make these kinds of issues even in the early release program. I suspect something's broken in their Windows org.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>I think people might need to put the pitchforks down. It's a preview release, and we have 0 information on the systems in question. Yeah, but making this info clear in the title doesn't drive the pitchfork driven clickbait FUD that seems to be invading HN lately. Nearly half of Windows 11 related topics I read here lately were mistakenly titled or factually wrong, and yet full of rage comments of people who haven't even read the article, or don't even use Windows, but came by to tell everyone they use Arch or MacOS.

mrguyorama 3y ago
>drive the pitchfork driven clickbait FUD that seems to be invading HN lately. This isn't "lately", HN has been this way since at least 2017 when I started reading. If you didn't notice it, that's on you. Almost nobody has ever read the articles on HN.

Already__Taken 3y ago

I think if you manually hit widows update, you get the preview updates. no extra opt in