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US Government: You have to careful about potentially leaking export controlled material, or your employees will be held personally responsible and go to jail.

US Government: You have to careful about potentially leaking export controlled material, or your employees will be held personally responsible and go to jail. SpaceX: Okay, will be extra careful Also US Government: How dare you be too careful! (probably) SpaceX: WTF

Dudester230602 3y ago
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JohnMakin 3y ago
This is a really dishonest interpretation of events. US law states that asylees have been vetted thoroughly and can take these positions the same as any US citizen or green card holder (if you had read the article).
- coding123 3y ago
  You can't vet anyone thoroughly though! You can reply yes I love the united states a million times, read the constitution a million times and still be part of some sect.
  - joshuamorton 3y ago
    This applies equally to citizens and permanent residents.
    - coding123 3y ago
      the statement applies equally - the percentage chance that someone is compromised in a certain direction is not.
arcticfox 3y ago
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nonethewiser 3y ago
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- VectorLock 3y ago
  Just to be extra careful.
VectorLock 3y ago
Thankfully being "extra careful" isn't a defense against breaking employment law.
dragonwriter 3y ago
Correction: US Government: You have to careful about potentially leaking export controlled material, or your employees will be held personally responsible and go to jail. Also, you have to comply with non-discrimination law while doing that. SpaceX: Okay, so we’ll ignore non-discrimination law and excuse it as “being careful about potentially leaking export controlled material”. US Government: WTF?
- AlchemistCamp 3y ago
  It's almost like the US government is trying to ensure DoD dollars don't go very far. More importantly, from a national security perspective, it doesn't make sense to exempt every refugee and asylee from ITAR restrictions. The benefit is negligible to the typical refugee and the risk is immense.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > More importantly, from a national security perspective, it doesn’t make sense to exempt every refugee and asylee from ITAR restrictions. Justifying workplace discrimination on a generally prohibited bases on the basis of “well, if the government regulations that we are relying on to justify our discrimination were revised in a way that we feel makes better policy sense, they would require the discrimination we are doing, even though they explicitly do not as currently written” is…probably not an argument that will succeed in any US court.
    - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
      Your comment is completely tangential to the point I was making. My primary concern isn't "succeeding in any US court". I'm not involved with SpaceX or the job applicants who were passed over. My concern is much more around the use of tax revenues, the overall security of the country and the stability of the world order. There are a multitude of cases the DOJ could be taking on right now. That this is what they choose to litigate is a clear warning sign.

Dudester230602 3y ago

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JohnMakin 3y ago

This is a really dishonest interpretation of events. US law states that asylees have been vetted thoroughly and can take these positions the same as any US citizen or green card holder (if you had read the article).

coding123 3y ago
You can't vet anyone thoroughly though! You can reply yes I love the united states a million times, read the constitution a million times and still be part of some sect.
- joshuamorton 3y ago
  This applies equally to citizens and permanent residents.
  - coding123 3y ago
    the statement applies equally - the percentage chance that someone is compromised in a certain direction is not.

arcticfox 3y ago

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nonethewiser 3y ago

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VectorLock 3y ago
Just to be extra careful.

VectorLock 3y ago

Thankfully being "extra careful" isn't a defense against breaking employment law.

dragonwriter 3y ago

Correction: US Government: You have to careful about potentially leaking export controlled material, or your employees will be held personally responsible and go to jail. Also, you have to comply with non-discrimination law while doing that. SpaceX: Okay, so we’ll ignore non-discrimination law and excuse it as “being careful about potentially leaking export controlled material”. US Government: WTF?

AlchemistCamp 3y ago
It's almost like the US government is trying to ensure DoD dollars don't go very far. More importantly, from a national security perspective, it doesn't make sense to exempt every refugee and asylee from ITAR restrictions. The benefit is negligible to the typical refugee and the risk is immense.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > More importantly, from a national security perspective, it doesn’t make sense to exempt every refugee and asylee from ITAR restrictions. Justifying workplace discrimination on a generally prohibited bases on the basis of “well, if the government regulations that we are relying on to justify our discrimination were revised in a way that we feel makes better policy sense, they would require the discrimination we are doing, even though they explicitly do not as currently written” is…probably not an argument that will succeed in any US court.
  - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
    Your comment is completely tangential to the point I was making. My primary concern isn't "succeeding in any US court". I'm not involved with SpaceX or the job applicants who were passed over. My concern is much more around the use of tax revenues, the overall security of the country and the stability of the world order. There are a multitude of cases the DOJ could be taking on right now. That this is what they choose to litigate is a clear warning sign.