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Sorry, but how do you not know any person at all? I had to do this and it’s just an online form asking if they’ve seen your documentation.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
"Just" -- well, this is the proposition: "Hi, you barely know me, but can I doxxx you to this website you don't know and then show you my ID so you're on the hook for a Federal verification thing?" It requires a modicum of trust on the part of the person I'm asking. Yes, I could slip $5 to a bum at the train station to do it, if I felt like giving him my phone. Perhaps I'm not creative enough to think of people. But yes, I really know that few people who are physically nearby. Basically, all of my friends and family are remote. I have an active social life but it's all online. I asked a Notary and they flat said no. Likewise with the offices I visit; I mean, that's just not their job, and it's a liability problem. My employer refused to provide a person to do this. It's the employer's obligation to get this done. They're absolutely passing the buck here, and way too far. Of course they won't be the one to get in trouble if this fails, they'll just fire us all.
- idontwantthis 3y ago
  Instead of trying to entice your neighbor to commit a conspiracy, try asking to borrow a cup of sugar, but then ask them to fill out this website for you instead. You are making your own barriers here, for what reason I don’t know. This is a lot simpler than bringing your passport to the office, even if you work in the office.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    I don't care how simple it is, this is not my responsibility. I've been employed with the same employer for 3 years. They verified me on hire, 2 months after the lockdowns. The feds inexplicably want to erase all that work and redo it from scratch. It's their responsibility to verify me and complete this form. They used to have an office right down the street, and I know they still retain a sizable staff in my area. They should have no problem designating an employee to just go around and verify people. I didn't make these barriers, the buck-passing cost-cutting low-information folks did it for me. They told us we have 3 days from receipt to finalize this. They knew about this before May (May was when the deadline got a 30-day extension) and they're springing it on us with such urgency now! Well pardon me!
    - salawat 3y ago
      I mean, short of showing up at an office, and making yourself enough of a nuisance for HR to get off their duff, it sounds like a good sign that employer may not be for you. If they can't handle an I-9 in good faith, they have no business hiring. Everyone who employs someone has to have that link of process done. Anyone who isn't your employer is absolutely justified in refusing. It is a huge liability for anyone else but your employer to do it, as lying to the feds, da-da-da-daaa...is a crime. For your employer, it's cost of doing business. For anyone else, it's really sketchy af. The Notary Public would have had the best chance of being accommodating, but if it were me, I'd want to hear from your employer directly why my services were required, and to whom to send the bill. As you should not be on the hook for any costs therearound, and they really shouldn't be sending you scrabbling to strangers for a vouch. Good luck.
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Thank you for the encouragement. Yes, "sending the bill", this is an interesting thought. I'm going to require transportation to and from the meet point, if my coworker can pull this off on Friday. I do believe I'll send two taxi receipts to my employer, because this is the cost of them doing business.
    - tacostakohashi 3y ago
      You are being very hard-headed about this. Presumably your employment is at-will? If so, you're right, it's not your "responsibility", you are free to terminate this employment relationship, and seek another employer who has an I-9 process that is more to your liking. Likewise, your employer is free to terminate the employment relationship, and seek another employee who is able to complete their (outsourced) I-9 process. If this seems like an insurmountable administrative task to you, I suspect you will have limited career success in most organizations of any size.
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        I liked their process fine; I was hired and they verified me. What's shocking is that everyone needs a redo over 3 years later. Also shocking, they can't avail themselves of the virtual verification option which is provided for exactly our situation. My employer is not "free" to terminate us, they will be legally required to do so, or suffer stiff penalties. To say we're "free" to quit is callous, ignorant, and rude.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

"Just" -- well, this is the proposition: "Hi, you barely know me, but can I doxxx you to this website you don't know and then show you my ID so you're on the hook for a Federal verification thing?" It requires a modicum of trust on the part of the person I'm asking. Yes, I could slip $5 to a bum at the train station to do it, if I felt like giving him my phone. Perhaps I'm not creative enough to think of people. But yes, I really know that few people who are physically nearby. Basically, all of my friends and family are remote. I have an active social life but it's all online. I asked a Notary and they flat said no. Likewise with the offices I visit; I mean, that's just not their job, and it's a liability problem. My employer refused to provide a person to do this. It's the employer's obligation to get this done. They're absolutely passing the buck here, and way too far. Of course they won't be the one to get in trouble if this fails, they'll just fire us all.

idontwantthis 3y ago
Instead of trying to entice your neighbor to commit a conspiracy, try asking to borrow a cup of sugar, but then ask them to fill out this website for you instead. You are making your own barriers here, for what reason I don’t know. This is a lot simpler than bringing your passport to the office, even if you work in the office.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  I don't care how simple it is, this is not my responsibility. I've been employed with the same employer for 3 years. They verified me on hire, 2 months after the lockdowns. The feds inexplicably want to erase all that work and redo it from scratch. It's their responsibility to verify me and complete this form. They used to have an office right down the street, and I know they still retain a sizable staff in my area. They should have no problem designating an employee to just go around and verify people. I didn't make these barriers, the buck-passing cost-cutting low-information folks did it for me. They told us we have 3 days from receipt to finalize this. They knew about this before May (May was when the deadline got a 30-day extension) and they're springing it on us with such urgency now! Well pardon me!
  - salawat 3y ago
    I mean, short of showing up at an office, and making yourself enough of a nuisance for HR to get off their duff, it sounds like a good sign that employer may not be for you. If they can't handle an I-9 in good faith, they have no business hiring. Everyone who employs someone has to have that link of process done. Anyone who isn't your employer is absolutely justified in refusing. It is a huge liability for anyone else but your employer to do it, as lying to the feds, da-da-da-daaa...is a crime. For your employer, it's cost of doing business. For anyone else, it's really sketchy af. The Notary Public would have had the best chance of being accommodating, but if it were me, I'd want to hear from your employer directly why my services were required, and to whom to send the bill. As you should not be on the hook for any costs therearound, and they really shouldn't be sending you scrabbling to strangers for a vouch. Good luck.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Thank you for the encouragement. Yes, "sending the bill", this is an interesting thought. I'm going to require transportation to and from the meet point, if my coworker can pull this off on Friday. I do believe I'll send two taxi receipts to my employer, because this is the cost of them doing business.
  - tacostakohashi 3y ago
    You are being very hard-headed about this. Presumably your employment is at-will? If so, you're right, it's not your "responsibility", you are free to terminate this employment relationship, and seek another employer who has an I-9 process that is more to your liking. Likewise, your employer is free to terminate the employment relationship, and seek another employee who is able to complete their (outsourced) I-9 process. If this seems like an insurmountable administrative task to you, I suspect you will have limited career success in most organizations of any size.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      I liked their process fine; I was hired and they verified me. What's shocking is that everyone needs a redo over 3 years later. Also shocking, they can't avail themselves of the virtual verification option which is provided for exactly our situation. My employer is not "free" to terminate us, they will be legally required to do so, or suffer stiff penalties. To say we're "free" to quit is callous, ignorant, and rude.