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It's a consequence of illegal immigration, and people encouraging it. Physically presenting ID may be a countermeasure against fraud, so perhaps that's why they

by rmk 3y ago

It's a consequence of illegal immigration, and people encouraging it. Physically presenting ID may be a countermeasure against fraud, so perhaps that's why they are bringing it back?

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
The way I'm being asked to do it is absurd and onerous. My employer's outsourced this to a service. So far, so good. The service put the burden on the employees to get'er done, but that's not the whole of it. They're demanding that we identify a person--friend, family, neighbor--to act as "in-person verifier". In my unique situation, this is, perhaps uniquely, very difficult to do. I contacted an official Notary Public who refused. My church refused. So did my dentist. I connected with a coworker who offered to help, and flaked on Sunday, so now I'm waiting 'til Friday to hopefully possibly get'er done, but I'm becoming nervous and the employer is issuing veiled threats about jeopardizing our employment if we don't do this thing that's their responsibility in the first place. Also they've known about this whole thing since before May, but only sprung it on us a couple of weeks ago.
- idontwantthis 3y ago
  Sorry, but how do you not know any person at all? I had to do this and it’s just an online form asking if they’ve seen your documentation.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    "Just" -- well, this is the proposition: "Hi, you barely know me, but can I doxxx you to this website you don't know and then show you my ID so you're on the hook for a Federal verification thing?" It requires a modicum of trust on the part of the person I'm asking. Yes, I could slip $5 to a bum at the train station to do it, if I felt like giving him my phone. Perhaps I'm not creative enough to think of people. But yes, I really know that few people who are physically nearby. Basically, all of my friends and family are remote. I have an active social life but it's all online. I asked a Notary and they flat said no. Likewise with the offices I visit; I mean, that's just not their job, and it's a liability problem. My employer refused to provide a person to do this. It's the employer's obligation to get this done. They're absolutely passing the buck here, and way too far. Of course they won't be the one to get in trouble if this fails, they'll just fire us all.
    - idontwantthis 3y ago
      Instead of trying to entice your neighbor to commit a conspiracy, try asking to borrow a cup of sugar, but then ask them to fill out this website for you instead. You are making your own barriers here, for what reason I don’t know. This is a lot simpler than bringing your passport to the office, even if you work in the office.
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        I don't care how simple it is, this is not my responsibility. I've been employed with the same employer for 3 years. They verified me on hire, 2 months after the lockdowns. The feds inexplicably want to erase all that work and redo it from scratch. It's their responsibility to verify me and complete this form. They used to have an office right down the street, and I know they still retain a sizable staff in my area. They should have no problem designating an employee to just go around and verify people. I didn't make these barriers, the buck-passing cost-cutting low-information folks did it for me. They told us we have 3 days from receipt to finalize this. They knew about this before May (May was when the deadline got a 30-day extension) and they're springing it on us with such urgency now! Well pardon me!
        salawat 3y ago
        I mean, short of showing up at an office, and making yourself enough of a nuisance for HR to get off their duff, it sounds like a good sign that employer may not be for you. If they can't handle an I-9 in good faith, they have no business hiring. Everyone who employs someone has to have that link of process done. Anyone who isn't your employer is absolutely justified in refusing. It is a huge liability for anyone else but your employer to do it, as lying to the feds, da-da-da-daaa...is a crime. For your employer, it's cost of doing business. For anyone else, it's really sketchy af. The Notary Public would have had the best chance of being accommodating, but if it were me, I'd want to hear from your employer directly why my services were required, and to whom to send the bill. As you should not be on the hook for any costs therearound, and they really shouldn't be sending you scrabbling to strangers for a vouch. Good luck.

by rmk 3y ago

It's a consequence of illegal immigration, and people encouraging it. Physically presenting ID may be a countermeasure against fraud, so perhaps that's why they are bringing it back?

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

The way I'm being asked to do it is absurd and onerous. My employer's outsourced this to a service. So far, so good. The service put the burden on the employees to get'er done, but that's not the whole of it. They're demanding that we identify a person--friend, family, neighbor--to act as "in-person verifier". In my unique situation, this is, perhaps uniquely, very difficult to do. I contacted an official Notary Public who refused. My church refused. So did my dentist. I connected with a coworker who offered to help, and flaked on Sunday, so now I'm waiting 'til Friday to hopefully possibly get'er done, but I'm becoming nervous and the employer is issuing veiled threats about jeopardizing our employment if we don't do this thing that's their responsibility in the first place. Also they've known about this whole thing since before May, but only sprung it on us a couple of weeks ago.

idontwantthis 3y ago
Sorry, but how do you not know any person at all? I had to do this and it’s just an online form asking if they’ve seen your documentation.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  "Just" -- well, this is the proposition: "Hi, you barely know me, but can I doxxx you to this website you don't know and then show you my ID so you're on the hook for a Federal verification thing?" It requires a modicum of trust on the part of the person I'm asking. Yes, I could slip $5 to a bum at the train station to do it, if I felt like giving him my phone. Perhaps I'm not creative enough to think of people. But yes, I really know that few people who are physically nearby. Basically, all of my friends and family are remote. I have an active social life but it's all online. I asked a Notary and they flat said no. Likewise with the offices I visit; I mean, that's just not their job, and it's a liability problem. My employer refused to provide a person to do this. It's the employer's obligation to get this done. They're absolutely passing the buck here, and way too far. Of course they won't be the one to get in trouble if this fails, they'll just fire us all.
  - idontwantthis 3y ago
    Instead of trying to entice your neighbor to commit a conspiracy, try asking to borrow a cup of sugar, but then ask them to fill out this website for you instead. You are making your own barriers here, for what reason I don’t know. This is a lot simpler than bringing your passport to the office, even if you work in the office.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      I don't care how simple it is, this is not my responsibility. I've been employed with the same employer for 3 years. They verified me on hire, 2 months after the lockdowns. The feds inexplicably want to erase all that work and redo it from scratch. It's their responsibility to verify me and complete this form. They used to have an office right down the street, and I know they still retain a sizable staff in my area. They should have no problem designating an employee to just go around and verify people. I didn't make these barriers, the buck-passing cost-cutting low-information folks did it for me. They told us we have 3 days from receipt to finalize this. They knew about this before May (May was when the deadline got a 30-day extension) and they're springing it on us with such urgency now! Well pardon me!
      - salawat 3y ago
        I mean, short of showing up at an office, and making yourself enough of a nuisance for HR to get off their duff, it sounds like a good sign that employer may not be for you. If they can't handle an I-9 in good faith, they have no business hiring. Everyone who employs someone has to have that link of process done. Anyone who isn't your employer is absolutely justified in refusing. It is a huge liability for anyone else but your employer to do it, as lying to the feds, da-da-da-daaa...is a crime. For your employer, it's cost of doing business. For anyone else, it's really sketchy af. The Notary Public would have had the best chance of being accommodating, but if it were me, I'd want to hear from your employer directly why my services were required, and to whom to send the bill. As you should not be on the hook for any costs therearound, and they really shouldn't be sending you scrabbling to strangers for a vouch. Good luck.