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"citizen journalism" is what we used to call rumour, gossip, and hearsay. It still is.

by bregma 3y ago

Dalewyn 3y ago
And that is still (marginally) better than what the commercial and political propaganda machine we call "journalism" has become today.
nonethewiser 3y ago
Take that as a signal. The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more. I can appreciate that people might pick “unreliable“ over “actively manipulating.”
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more If your information diet is television, sure. If not, there are obvious and almost daily advantages from being properly informed relative to the large number of Americans, including some wealthy ones, who think they can roll their own open-source intelligence through gossip-like media.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  > The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more no it hasn't, and no they don't this is an example of a common occurrence: a loud minority incorrectly thinking that their opinions represent those of "[the] people" some other examples are American conservatives with their incorrect ideas of what "[the] people" want, and anti-science advocates with their incorrect views that "people" don't trust science just say "I" instead.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    > no it hasn't, and no they don't wow, that's sure persuasive. Trust in the media is at an all-time low. That isn't "a loud minority."
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      almost as unpersuasive as the original claim that it has, and they do - a loud minority opinion if I ever heard one, and one that deserves no more effort refuting than you spent proving it in the first place (none) open to hearing evidence of that claim of yours, because the article disagrees with you
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
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        abathur 3y ago
        Hmm. Like this? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adults-under-30-now-trust-information-from-social-media-almost-as-much-as-from-national-news-outlets/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adult...
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        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        I googled, google said you were wrong about your claim that, and I'm quoting you here, "people trust gossip more". Since you say you believe I can google just as well as you, there's no need for you to question this, either. go figure: google, the article, common sense, and common wisdom, all disagree with you still open to hearing evidence of that claim of yours, but at this point it seems more likely you'll claim gravity and evolution don't exist and tell me to "google it"
        AlbertCory 3y ago
        I see that someone provided the citation you claim to need. Happy now?
  - rayiner 3y ago
    The overwhelming majority of people don’t trust the mainstream media: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403166/americans-trust-media-remains-near-record-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/403166/americans-trust-media-re... “28% of U.S. adults say they do not have very much confidence and 38% have none at all in newspapers, TV and radio. Notably, this is the first time that the percentage of Americans with no trust at all in the media is higher than the percentage with a great deal or a fair amount combined.” According to Pew, Americans trust the media about as much as they trust “big business” (which is not very much). https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-down-average-new-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-... You must be in the minority of people who trust the media. :-)
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      I'm no expert in proofs, but one would think the first step in proving "people trust gossip more" would be getting the numbers on what percentage of people trust gossip :) here's a good resource helpfully shared by another poster here, showing that 61% of Americans trust national news orgs and 71% trust local news orgs: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adults-under-30-now-trust-information-from-social-media-almost-as-much-as-from-national-news-outlets/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adult... I'll need some data showing a greater percentage of people trust "gossip" before I believe the claim that that number is larger than 61 or 71%

"citizen journalism" is what we used to call rumour, gossip, and hearsay. It still is.

by bregma 3y ago

"citizen journalism" is what we used to call rumour, gossip, and hearsay. It still is.

And that is still (marginally) better than what the commercial and political propaganda machine we call "journalism" has become today.

nonethewiser 3y ago

Take that as a signal. The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more. I can appreciate that people might pick “unreliable“ over “actively manipulating.”

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more If your information diet is television, sure. If not, there are obvious and almost daily advantages from being properly informed relative to the large number of Americans, including some wealthy ones, who think they can roll their own open-source intelligence through gossip-like media.
ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
> The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more no it hasn't, and no they don't this is an example of a common occurrence: a loud minority incorrectly thinking that their opinions represent those of "[the] people" some other examples are American conservatives with their incorrect ideas of what "[the] people" want, and anti-science advocates with their incorrect views that "people" don't trust science just say "I" instead.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  > no it hasn't, and no they don't wow, that's sure persuasive. Trust in the media is at an all-time low. That isn't "a loud minority."
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    almost as unpersuasive as the original claim that it has, and they do - a loud minority opinion if I ever heard one, and one that deserves no more effort refuting than you spent proving it in the first place (none) open to hearing evidence of that claim of yours, because the article disagrees with you
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
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      - abathur 3y ago
        Hmm. Like this? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adults-under-30-now-trust-information-from-social-media-almost-as-much-as-from-national-news-outlets/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adult...
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      - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        I googled, google said you were wrong about your claim that, and I'm quoting you here, "people trust gossip more". Since you say you believe I can google just as well as you, there's no need for you to question this, either. go figure: google, the article, common sense, and common wisdom, all disagree with you still open to hearing evidence of that claim of yours, but at this point it seems more likely you'll claim gravity and evolution don't exist and tell me to "google it"
        AlbertCory 3y ago
        I see that someone provided the citation you claim to need. Happy now?
- rayiner 3y ago
  The overwhelming majority of people don’t trust the mainstream media: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403166/americans-trust-media-remains-near-record-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/403166/americans-trust-media-re... “28% of U.S. adults say they do not have very much confidence and 38% have none at all in newspapers, TV and radio. Notably, this is the first time that the percentage of Americans with no trust at all in the media is higher than the percentage with a great deal or a fair amount combined.” According to Pew, Americans trust the media about as much as they trust “big business” (which is not very much). https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-down-average-new-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-... You must be in the minority of people who trust the media. :-)
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    I'm no expert in proofs, but one would think the first step in proving "people trust gossip more" would be getting the numbers on what percentage of people trust gossip :) here's a good resource helpfully shared by another poster here, showing that 61% of Americans trust national news orgs and 71% trust local news orgs: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adults-under-30-now-trust-information-from-social-media-almost-as-much-as-from-national-news-outlets/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adult... I'll need some data showing a greater percentage of people trust "gossip" before I believe the claim that that number is larger than 61 or 71%