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Why is that incongruous? I bet the McDonald's CEO doesn't think you should eat it at every meal. It has a place. It would actually be a lot weirder or untenable

Why is that incongruous? I bet the McDonald's CEO doesn't think you should eat it at every meal. It has a place. It would actually be a lot weirder or untenable if he advocated moving all work to zoom.

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
People here are obviously working backwards from a strong desire to work from home. It's not worth your time to take the specific arguments literally or seriously. It's a community of severe introverts I guess, I don't consider it representative of the greater culture.
- shadowofneptune 3y ago
  If the workplace sucks, as most do right now, there's about three options for what to do: 1. Force out the people who are making it suck. This is difficult with how managers are trained nowadays, never to take sides even if one party is clearly a drag on the group. Shunning and isolation are options, but ones very hard to keep up without support. If it's the manager who is the bad influence, you might as well be trying to shame a baron out of owning a castle. 2. Stop caring about work. Phone it in. Don't care anymore. 3. Don't be present physically in that environment. Of course people want to work from home when every interaction is unpleasant, when management is badgering you into doing things. It also saves on transportation cost, cost of caring for family, every single thing that an employer likes to pretend is not their cost to pay. It's not about people being naturally 'introverted' or 'extroverted,' it's about the social environment everyone, including management, creates around them.
  - redshiftza 3y ago
    I've tried options 2 and 3 and I prefer spending my time working instead of constantly having to look busy. Remote work (aside from the obvious life and time benefits) in my experience has forced management to evaluate performance based on output and not bums on seats.Change is scary but I don't think this is going away anytime soon.
- karaterobot 3y ago
  I think you're not assuming good faith here.
jedberg 3y ago
> I bet the McDonald's CEO doesn't think you should eat it at every meal. Actually, he does (well 10 meals a week): https://www.eatthis.com/mcdonalds-ceo-eats-every-week/ https://www.eatthis.com/mcdonalds-ceo-eats-every-week/
- version_five 3y ago
  Haha ok well I think that's ridiculous, I should have found a different example. Wendy's? Hopefully my point still stands.
  - jedberg 3y ago
    I totally see your point, but fast food is probably not the best choice. Every fast food CEO makes a point about how often they eat the food and how often their execs eat it. Every fast food company has a "flagship" store near the HQ, often for the purpose of being seen eating there. You can google around for the stories and photo ops. :) But yes, not every CEO believes their product should be used all the time. But most of them at least believe in the core benefit they claim their product provides.

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago

People here are obviously working backwards from a strong desire to work from home. It's not worth your time to take the specific arguments literally or seriously. It's a community of severe introverts I guess, I don't consider it representative of the greater culture.

shadowofneptune 3y ago
If the workplace sucks, as most do right now, there's about three options for what to do: 1. Force out the people who are making it suck. This is difficult with how managers are trained nowadays, never to take sides even if one party is clearly a drag on the group. Shunning and isolation are options, but ones very hard to keep up without support. If it's the manager who is the bad influence, you might as well be trying to shame a baron out of owning a castle. 2. Stop caring about work. Phone it in. Don't care anymore. 3. Don't be present physically in that environment. Of course people want to work from home when every interaction is unpleasant, when management is badgering you into doing things. It also saves on transportation cost, cost of caring for family, every single thing that an employer likes to pretend is not their cost to pay. It's not about people being naturally 'introverted' or 'extroverted,' it's about the social environment everyone, including management, creates around them.
- redshiftza 3y ago
  I've tried options 2 and 3 and I prefer spending my time working instead of constantly having to look busy. Remote work (aside from the obvious life and time benefits) in my experience has forced management to evaluate performance based on output and not bums on seats.Change is scary but I don't think this is going away anytime soon.
karaterobot 3y ago
I think you're not assuming good faith here.

jedberg 3y ago

> I bet the McDonald's CEO doesn't think you should eat it at every meal. Actually, he does (well 10 meals a week): https://www.eatthis.com/mcdonalds-ceo-eats-every-week/ https://www.eatthis.com/mcdonalds-ceo-eats-every-week/

version_five 3y ago
Haha ok well I think that's ridiculous, I should have found a different example. Wendy's? Hopefully my point still stands.
- jedberg 3y ago
  I totally see your point, but fast food is probably not the best choice. Every fast food CEO makes a point about how often they eat the food and how often their execs eat it. Every fast food company has a "flagship" store near the HQ, often for the purpose of being seen eating there. You can google around for the stories and photo ops. :) But yes, not every CEO believes their product should be used all the time. But most of them at least believe in the core benefit they claim their product provides.