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New Hetzner dedicated vCPU cloud servers with AMD Epyc CPUs

matteocontrini 3y ago
Pricing: https://www.hetzner.com/ccx https://www.hetzner.com/ccx
- malfist 3y ago
  Wow that's cheap. Almost makes me want to move from digital ocean
  - paddim8 3y ago
    Digital ocean is expensive
    - re-thc 3y ago
      It's not just expensive, it's EXPENSIVE by the way of not having upgraded their fleet in years. Things move fast now. It's not the Intel lake generations where you could sit for years. When genoa (AMD) / sapphire rapids (Intel) lifts the game by ~30-50% in 1 generation, suddenly AWS vs Digital Ocean won't be as far off and a few generations later it's caught up. Does Digital Ocean even have Milan yet, which is now last generation? Some plans only...
  - wafflemaker 3y ago
    Thought the same, but got banned from Hetzner twice and had no way to get to customer support to solve the issue. There's a reason why they are so cheap.
    - extraduder_ire 3y ago
      What do you mean by no way to get to customer support? They have a form on their website, a support phone number, and an email address. They are quite ban-happy though, and especially seem to hate VPNs.
    - shyim 3y ago
      Why did you got bannned? I am customer there since 10 years and had no problems so far.
  - m3drano 3y ago
    What's the economics that make these prices so low in comparison to other cloud providers? (asking with real curiosity)
    - fulafel 3y ago
      Do you mean the big-3 cloud platforms ? Their value proposition and lock-in mechanism is the palette of services and platforms, even though the services are not individually cost competitive. And they have high profit margins (eg AWS makes most of Amazon's profits).
    - slig 3y ago
      I'm also very curious since they're in Europe and pay a lot more for energy.
      - withinboredom 3y ago
        They have a tour on YouTube. Their cooling solution is pretty chill.
    - toast0 3y ago
      Hetzner and Digital Ocean are competing for small customers in a way that AWS, GCP and Azure don't need to. If you only need a few hosts, you've got tons of options on where to get them, so competitive pricing is important. If you want thousands of hosts, geographically distributed, and especially if you're a sizable company that cares more about best practices than costs, top tier cloud hosting is what you want, rather than low cost hosting. If you need a lot of equipment and want flexibility, you can get that at a big host, but it's harder from a smaller one. As a big customer of a medium-large host, with lots of promised flexibility, it was pretty easy to see how it worked for small requests and how it didn't for large requests (and it was fine, we'd ask for 200 servers of X and they'd give us a timeline and largely hit the timeline, but it wasn't the 1-3 hour timeline you get for a less than ten order; sometimes they'd already have equipment and need a week to cross ship and assemble, sometimes it would be a few weeks because they'd need do do vendor orders etc)
    - re-thc 3y ago
rnantes 3y ago
Hetzner seems to have the best deals in cloud computing right now, especially for individuals / small companies. I'm excited for their dedicated ARM vCPUs to become available!
- paddim8 3y ago
  Contabo and netcup are cheaper
re-thc 3y ago
Haven’t managed to get a Genoa server in the US yet. Wonder what are the odds…
gerwim 3y ago
I did some geekbench tests. 4 GB, 3 CPU AMD [1] 8 GB, 4 CPU AMD [2] 8 GB, 2 CPU (dedicated) AMD [3] So even though the dedicated CPU option has stable performance, the shared CPU is almost 4x as fast. Sure, the shared results would fluctuate but given they are similar priced. Or maybe I was just lucky and got on an empty node. [1]: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360706 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360706 [2]: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360698 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360698 [3]: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360730 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360730
- re-thc 3y ago
  > So even though the dedicated CPU option has stable performance, the shared CPU is almost 4x as fast The difference between Rome and Milan is rather minor, but if you do get genoa on dedicated it's like a 50% difference, which would turn the tide somewhat.
rasz 3y ago
Can you even do that with currently unpatched vulns?
- zamadatix 3y ago
  What do you mean? Dedicated means the core is not shared with other users. Also AMD has already released microcode for the "Inception" vulnerability, if that's what you're referring to.

Pricing: https://www.hetzner.com/ccx https://www.hetzner.com/ccx

malfist 3y ago
Wow that's cheap. Almost makes me want to move from digital ocean
- paddim8 3y ago
  Digital ocean is expensive
  - re-thc 3y ago
    It's not just expensive, it's EXPENSIVE by the way of not having upgraded their fleet in years. Things move fast now. It's not the Intel lake generations where you could sit for years. When genoa (AMD) / sapphire rapids (Intel) lifts the game by ~30-50% in 1 generation, suddenly AWS vs Digital Ocean won't be as far off and a few generations later it's caught up. Does Digital Ocean even have Milan yet, which is now last generation? Some plans only...
- wafflemaker 3y ago
  Thought the same, but got banned from Hetzner twice and had no way to get to customer support to solve the issue. There's a reason why they are so cheap.
  - extraduder_ire 3y ago
    What do you mean by no way to get to customer support? They have a form on their website, a support phone number, and an email address. They are quite ban-happy though, and especially seem to hate VPNs.
  - shyim 3y ago
    Why did you got bannned? I am customer there since 10 years and had no problems so far.
- m3drano 3y ago
  What's the economics that make these prices so low in comparison to other cloud providers? (asking with real curiosity)
  - fulafel 3y ago
    Do you mean the big-3 cloud platforms ? Their value proposition and lock-in mechanism is the palette of services and platforms, even though the services are not individually cost competitive. And they have high profit margins (eg AWS makes most of Amazon's profits).
  - slig 3y ago
    I'm also very curious since they're in Europe and pay a lot more for energy.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      They have a tour on YouTube. Their cooling solution is pretty chill.
  - toast0 3y ago
    Hetzner and Digital Ocean are competing for small customers in a way that AWS, GCP and Azure don't need to. If you only need a few hosts, you've got tons of options on where to get them, so competitive pricing is important. If you want thousands of hosts, geographically distributed, and especially if you're a sizable company that cares more about best practices than costs, top tier cloud hosting is what you want, rather than low cost hosting. If you need a lot of equipment and want flexibility, you can get that at a big host, but it's harder from a smaller one. As a big customer of a medium-large host, with lots of promised flexibility, it was pretty easy to see how it worked for small requests and how it didn't for large requests (and it was fine, we'd ask for 200 servers of X and they'd give us a timeline and largely hit the timeline, but it wasn't the 1-3 hour timeline you get for a less than ten order; sometimes they'd already have equipment and need a week to cross ship and assemble, sometimes it would be a few weeks because they'd need do do vendor orders etc)
  - re-thc 3y ago

Hetzner seems to have the best deals in cloud computing right now, especially for individuals / small companies. I'm excited for their dedicated ARM vCPUs to become available!

paddim8 3y ago
Contabo and netcup are cheaper

re-thc 3y ago

Haven’t managed to get a Genoa server in the US yet. Wonder what are the odds…

gerwim 3y ago

I did some geekbench tests. 4 GB, 3 CPU AMD [1] 8 GB, 4 CPU AMD [2] 8 GB, 2 CPU (dedicated) AMD [3] So even though the dedicated CPU option has stable performance, the shared CPU is almost 4x as fast. Sure, the shared results would fluctuate but given they are similar priced. Or maybe I was just lucky and got on an empty node. [1]: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360706 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360706 [2]: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360698 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360698 [3]: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360730 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2360730

re-thc 3y ago
> So even though the dedicated CPU option has stable performance, the shared CPU is almost 4x as fast The difference between Rome and Milan is rather minor, but if you do get genoa on dedicated it's like a 50% difference, which would turn the tide somewhat.

rasz 3y ago

Can you even do that with currently unpatched vulns?

zamadatix 3y ago
What do you mean? Dedicated means the core is not shared with other users. Also AMD has already released microcode for the "Inception" vulnerability, if that's what you're referring to.