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I bet Apple already tried and they refused due to NDA and non compete clauses, that or HR didn't validate their profile.

andrewmcwatters 3y ago
Too many people involved in technical hiring, and too many pointless interviews. It's likely anywhere they went to interview, the people there would have no idea how good they were in the first place.
- hoosieree 3y ago
  What a waste of talent... why accomplish things in real life when you can grind leetcode to give the appearance of being able to accomplish things? /s
  - catchnear4321 3y ago
    why bother appearing to accomplish anything when one could just opine anonymously on the interwebs?
- dan-robertson 3y ago
  If I were in their position then maybe applying to random jobs wouldn’t be the right strategy. Instead either ensure you have enough contact information available for leads to come in, or reach out to connections at companies to get warm introductions. It won’t work everywhere but it needn’t work everywhere.
IshKebab 3y ago
You also need soft skills to work in a company. There are lots of people in the open source world who are technically brilliant arseholes. Not saying that's the case here; just that "amazing programming" doesn't necessarily mean "Apple wants to employ them".
- rowanG077 3y ago
  This. I am very often astounded with the straight up rude behavior of many "respected" in the open source world.
astrange 3y ago
I don't think being able to reverse engineer your project is actually a good qualification for hiring you, considering your employees don't need to do that. Also, isn't she a high schooler/freshman? There's always internships but it's best to do other things before grinding those out.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  If someone understands your codebase without your sources and docs - you can bet that they will also understand it with the help of those. Usually better, if the docs have any value. And this is kind of a valuable skill, considering how many coders don't understand their codebase even with docs.
  - zekrioca 3y ago
    I did not follow parent’s reasoning either. They did something without any documentation at all.
  - MobiusHorizons 3y ago
    It’s certainly true that such people are very capable, and would be good people to hire for many kinds of work. However corporate environments don’t typically like people who are willing to work around artificial restrictions. This particular skill set (which is what reverse engineering is) may even be (perceived as) a negative at a company like Apple.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Much of it (LLVM) is open source, and for the rest I don't think understanding the inputs and outputs is actually that closely related to being able to maintain the bits in the middle, or come up with new bits. It's not a negative of course.
- Izikiel43 3y ago
  > I don't think being able to reverse engineer your project is actually a good qualification for hiring you, Ask Mark Russinovich, now Azure CTO
fnordpiglet 3y ago
I hope she avoids working for someone else. Why does she need to have her inspiration crushed by the pettiness of corporate life?
- nicce 3y ago
  Usually the reason is always the same: money. That is why people work in corporates.
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    Actually I think it’s more being unsure of what else to do in life and for want of a structure, and money is one of those things people are unsure of. However looking at her work to date, she can find money on her own terms. She seems to work well on her own terms in her own structure. The thing that could hurt her more than anything is working under someone else’s structure and terms.
    - nicce 3y ago
      I found that people more often start PhD if they don’t know what to do. But of course depends on quite many things. I agree, her kind of people will find the money and better work without corprate bureocracy.

andrewmcwatters 3y ago

Too many people involved in technical hiring, and too many pointless interviews. It's likely anywhere they went to interview, the people there would have no idea how good they were in the first place.

hoosieree 3y ago
What a waste of talent... why accomplish things in real life when you can grind leetcode to give the appearance of being able to accomplish things? /s
- catchnear4321 3y ago
  why bother appearing to accomplish anything when one could just opine anonymously on the interwebs?
dan-robertson 3y ago
If I were in their position then maybe applying to random jobs wouldn’t be the right strategy. Instead either ensure you have enough contact information available for leads to come in, or reach out to connections at companies to get warm introductions. It won’t work everywhere but it needn’t work everywhere.

IshKebab 3y ago

You also need soft skills to work in a company. There are lots of people in the open source world who are technically brilliant arseholes. Not saying that's the case here; just that "amazing programming" doesn't necessarily mean "Apple wants to employ them".

rowanG077 3y ago
This. I am very often astounded with the straight up rude behavior of many "respected" in the open source world.

astrange 3y ago

I don't think being able to reverse engineer your project is actually a good qualification for hiring you, considering your employees don't need to do that. Also, isn't she a high schooler/freshman? There's always internships but it's best to do other things before grinding those out.

hutzlibu 3y ago
If someone understands your codebase without your sources and docs - you can bet that they will also understand it with the help of those. Usually better, if the docs have any value. And this is kind of a valuable skill, considering how many coders don't understand their codebase even with docs.
- zekrioca 3y ago
  I did not follow parent’s reasoning either. They did something without any documentation at all.
- MobiusHorizons 3y ago
  It’s certainly true that such people are very capable, and would be good people to hire for many kinds of work. However corporate environments don’t typically like people who are willing to work around artificial restrictions. This particular skill set (which is what reverse engineering is) may even be (perceived as) a negative at a company like Apple.
- astrange 3y ago
  Much of it (LLVM) is open source, and for the rest I don't think understanding the inputs and outputs is actually that closely related to being able to maintain the bits in the middle, or come up with new bits. It's not a negative of course.
Izikiel43 3y ago
> I don't think being able to reverse engineer your project is actually a good qualification for hiring you, Ask Mark Russinovich, now Azure CTO

fnordpiglet 3y ago

I hope she avoids working for someone else. Why does she need to have her inspiration crushed by the pettiness of corporate life?

nicce 3y ago
Usually the reason is always the same: money. That is why people work in corporates.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  Actually I think it’s more being unsure of what else to do in life and for want of a structure, and money is one of those things people are unsure of. However looking at her work to date, she can find money on her own terms. She seems to work well on her own terms in her own structure. The thing that could hurt her more than anything is working under someone else’s structure and terms.
  - nicce 3y ago
    I found that people more often start PhD if they don’t know what to do. But of course depends on quite many things. I agree, her kind of people will find the money and better work without corprate bureocracy.