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I think it's good the reward is small. Otherwise it would "force" employees to not call sick days to get the big reward This way it's just a small thing to rec

I think it's good the reward is small. Otherwise it would "force" employees to not call sick days to get the big reward This way it's just a small thing to recognize someone who (hopefully) didn't get sick in any of the days thay had to work

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
I don't see the point of any award for people who never call in sick as it encourages people to come in sick and spread around whatever they have, even if the award is only symbolic. Also, not getting sick is not a personal achievement that's up to you, unless you live like Bubble Boy[1], it can happen to anyone even if you're usually healthy as a horse and take care of yourself. Accidents can happen if you leave the house and viruses spread around if you socialize a lot. It also fosters a culture where you get looked down if you have more sick days than others, as if it's a competition, even in places where sick leave is legal. I've lost track of how many times I got sick from someone form the office who came in coughing and sneezing, even though we live in Europe where you can take sick leave without any repercussions, but NO, they felt that their work for the company was more important than their health or the health of their colleagues and didn't want to be looked down as a weakling who takes sick leave every time they get the sniffles. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_Boy_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_Boy_(film)
- schwartzworld 3y ago
  The irony is that amongst food service workers, calling in sick is judged quite heavily. One or two people not showing up to a shift can completely screw up a restaurant's ability to deliver for the night. It doesn't help that calling in sick is the only surefire way to get a day off when you need one, so it's easy to assume that people are lying when they say they're too sick to work. However, it's also pretty common for people to come to work sick, as these are jobs that don't pay you on the days you don't work, regardless of the reason. If you have a choice between taking a Sudafed and powering through, or not paying your rent that month, which are you going to choose? The difference between how people are treated in the food service industry and tech is so stuck. I worked in the former for a decade and it eroded my self-worth. Nobody in tech would stay in a place that treated employees 1/10 as badly, not for a day.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Sounds like a good case for nation-wide unionization of service workers.
    - tekla 3y ago
      Have fun with that. There is an army of teenagers who would be more than glad to pick up the empty positions.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        Unionization is orthogonal to labor oversupply. In fact it's who unions should be for.
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        No there isn't. Most teenagers don't want fast food jobs or any other job that won't help them get into college, and most of those who do already have one.
        tekla 3y ago
        Did something change in the last decade where teenagers suddenly stopped liking having money?
        xboxnolifes 3y ago
        Cheaper entertainment.
        bryanlarsen 3y ago
        Yes. It's been a gradual change, but it's become really evident over the last decade. It's not that they don't want money, but extra-curriculars have a lot more importance on college applications, and those prevent part time jobs. Also, multi-player video games are occupying kids free time, and don't require the folding money that previous hobbies like cars did.
KptMarchewa 3y ago
Things like this shouldn't be incentivized at all. Imagine police giving reward for not reporting crimes or HR giving rewards for not reporting sexual harassments.
wtfwhateven 3y ago
> Otherwise it would "force" employees to not call sick days to get the big reward they are already forced to not call in sick by the fact they don't get paid sick leave i can't believe you're sincerely making this argument i'm actually disturbed you exist. i hope you are trolling
- halJordan 3y ago
  There's no need to be so terribly offended at just a suggestion with a reasonable foundation. You know that if BK gave 50% of whatever they saved from no sick days then we'd have an npr article about how exploitative it is to incentivize these people to come into work and you'd be here severely disturbed in any event.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

I don't see the point of any award for people who never call in sick as it encourages people to come in sick and spread around whatever they have, even if the award is only symbolic. Also, not getting sick is not a personal achievement that's up to you, unless you live like Bubble Boy[1], it can happen to anyone even if you're usually healthy as a horse and take care of yourself. Accidents can happen if you leave the house and viruses spread around if you socialize a lot. It also fosters a culture where you get looked down if you have more sick days than others, as if it's a competition, even in places where sick leave is legal. I've lost track of how many times I got sick from someone form the office who came in coughing and sneezing, even though we live in Europe where you can take sick leave without any repercussions, but NO, they felt that their work for the company was more important than their health or the health of their colleagues and didn't want to be looked down as a weakling who takes sick leave every time they get the sniffles. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_Boy_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_Boy_(film)

schwartzworld 3y ago
The irony is that amongst food service workers, calling in sick is judged quite heavily. One or two people not showing up to a shift can completely screw up a restaurant's ability to deliver for the night. It doesn't help that calling in sick is the only surefire way to get a day off when you need one, so it's easy to assume that people are lying when they say they're too sick to work. However, it's also pretty common for people to come to work sick, as these are jobs that don't pay you on the days you don't work, regardless of the reason. If you have a choice between taking a Sudafed and powering through, or not paying your rent that month, which are you going to choose? The difference between how people are treated in the food service industry and tech is so stuck. I worked in the former for a decade and it eroded my self-worth. Nobody in tech would stay in a place that treated employees 1/10 as badly, not for a day.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Sounds like a good case for nation-wide unionization of service workers.
  - tekla 3y ago
    Have fun with that. There is an army of teenagers who would be more than glad to pick up the empty positions.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      Unionization is orthogonal to labor oversupply. In fact it's who unions should be for.
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      No there isn't. Most teenagers don't want fast food jobs or any other job that won't help them get into college, and most of those who do already have one.
      - tekla 3y ago
        Did something change in the last decade where teenagers suddenly stopped liking having money?
        xboxnolifes 3y ago
        Cheaper entertainment.
        bryanlarsen 3y ago
        Yes. It's been a gradual change, but it's become really evident over the last decade. It's not that they don't want money, but extra-curriculars have a lot more importance on college applications, and those prevent part time jobs. Also, multi-player video games are occupying kids free time, and don't require the folding money that previous hobbies like cars did.

KptMarchewa 3y ago

Things like this shouldn't be incentivized at all. Imagine police giving reward for not reporting crimes or HR giving rewards for not reporting sexual harassments.

wtfwhateven 3y ago

> Otherwise it would "force" employees to not call sick days to get the big reward they are already forced to not call in sick by the fact they don't get paid sick leave i can't believe you're sincerely making this argument i'm actually disturbed you exist. i hope you are trolling

halJordan 3y ago
There's no need to be so terribly offended at just a suggestion with a reasonable foundation. You know that if BK gave 50% of whatever they saved from no sick days then we'd have an npr article about how exploitative it is to incentivize these people to come into work and you'd be here severely disturbed in any event.