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Podman Desktop celebrates 500k downloads
- dkd903 3y ago[dead]
- taspeotis 3y agoI switched to Podman on Windows, from Docker Desktop, and it was a bit rough 6mo ago but it’s fairly good now.
- brittle2528 3y agoDoes it have a better response when clicking something than Docker Desktop?
- gbraad 3y agowhat made it rough? reliability or just the integration?
- op00to 3y agoPodman Desktop on Windows? Why not podman on WSL2? I've been using Podman on a Fedora 37 WSL instance and it's fantastic.
- bricss 3y agoPodman Desktop on Windows works on top of WSL2 with Fedora image nowadays, but one of the advantages of that, since v4.6.0, it's new --user-mode-networking option for init to bypass harsh VPNs such as Cisco AnyConnect VPN \m/ https://docs.podman.io/en/latest/markdown/podman-machine-init.1.html#user-mode-networking https://docs.podman.io/en/latest/markdown/podman-machine-ini...
- porjo 3y agoI have podman desktop installed just to get podman machine auto started on boot, otherwise I'm using podman within WSL cli. Is there a better way?
- op00to 3y agothat sounds like a pretty good way!
- ec109685 3y agoStill feels crappy what Docker did by being free since inception, becoming the standard and then springing license fees onto companies that couldn't migrate off of it in time. Hopefully, podman can solve "basic dcoker desktop" needs for most companies.
- sbjs 3y ago> businesses of fewer than than 250 employees AND less than $10 million in revenue Seems like they can afford it.
- dwattttt 3y agoTo complete the context, both of those are required for free use of Docker Desktop; 250 employees and $1k revenue would still require you to license it. EDIT: https://docs.docker.com/subscription/desktop-license/ https://docs.docker.com/subscription/desktop-license/
- throwawayit1234 3y agoThat sounds like a bad business.
- Apfel 3y agoOr a government organisation. Or a charity.
- willsmith72 3y agoHaving worked in government, I don't see why they should be excluded from paying. But I think a charity could fall under the 3rd one here. "Examples of freely permitted usage include: Personal projects with less than $10 million revenue per year Students and teachers (whether in an educational or professional setting) Research at not-for-profit institutions Personal contributions to non-commercial open source projects"
- swozey 3y agoCongrats! I'm glad yall added plugins/extensions awhile back
- renewiltord 3y agoMy only experience with this software is getting the error Error: OCI runtime error: runc: runc create failed: cannot use rootless systemd cgroups manager on cgroup v1 When I upgraded to a new Ubuntu and ended up with this which I solved by running it as `sudo`. If it were in somewhere critical I'd worry.
- pxc 3y agoWhat version of Ubuntu? I thought they switched to cgroups v2 years ago. > If it were in somewhere critical I'd worry. Looks like you can enable the rootless systemd cgroups manager by adding systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=1 to your kernel boot params.
- renewiltord 3y agoThank you for that. I couldn't find that info anywhere.
- pxc 3y agoI was surprised at how poorly documented/indexed it was when I searched around, too!
- willsmith72 3y agoAnyone know how the performance is vs docker desktop on an Intel mac? I moved to using hosted services for local dev because even 1 container running would kill my MacBook
- pxc 3y agoHow much RAM does your Mac have and what was allocates to Docker Desktop?
- willsmith72 3y ago8GB, 3 for docker (I would run 1 container at a time)
- zamalek 3y agoIt could be faster. DD uses a proprietary VM solution to run Linux, while Podman uses Lima. Lima is an extremely active project, while Docker seem happy doing the bare minimum (from my experience at least).
- willsmith72 3y agoCool! I tried lima a while ago and it was way quicker, but painful to set up. Maybe I should try podman
- gbraad 3y agowe are adding vfkit, which is our implementation of the native hypervisor for macos. by default it would currentky use qemu, but lima is an option.
- bongobingo1 3y agoWho is "we", Docker or (co)Lima.
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- Alupis 3y agoCongrats to the Podman team - it's impressive to build anything that gets 500k eyeballs let alone downloads. With that said, we have yet to see if Podman can stand the test of time. Millions of people flocked to Threads because of a dust-up on Twitter... and then immediately went back to Twitter. Can Podman manage to keep it's traction and continue growing... that will be something to see.
- jshen 3y agoYou can’t talk about the test of time and then use an analogy that hasn’t stood the test of time ;)
- coconut08 3y ago...? podman has been around for years and has been slowly increasing users for years. it is the exact opposite of a flash in the pan.
- Alupis 3y agoPodman has been around for a while, you are right. However, it's recent surge in popularity is simply due to Docker Desktop's changed terms and pricing.
- conradev 3y agoOrbStack functions better than Podman and Docker Desktop combined on macOS: https://orbstack.dev/ https://orbstack.dev/ Lightweight, native app, drop in replacement. It is funny that you need to launch an entire web browser to then launch a single container.
- xwowsersx 3y agoHadn't heard of this, thanks for sharing. Should be a full drop-in replacement?
- jacklbk 3y agoYes. I replaced Docker Desktop with it and I haven't found anything lacking for my use cases so far. It's a great alternative, just install and a few clicks, that's it.
- mianos 3y agoNot comparable to podman: "Is OrbStack free? OrbStack is completely free to use during beta, but it will become a paid product afterwards. We're still working out the details, but this is the plan so far (subject to change): Personal use: free Business and commercial use: $8/user/mo "
- op00to 3y agoit's funny that you feel the need to drop your SPAM in this thread.
- conradev 3y agoIt's unfortunately a genuine unaffiliated endorsement
- stkuser 3y ago[dead]
- osigurdson 3y agoIt would be a lot more exciting IBM wasn’t behind it.
- naikrovek 3y agotry Rancher Desktop, then.
- osigurdson 3y agoI like podman, it definitely seems like the right tool for local development. Docker still has better tooling in some areas though of course due to maturity.
- user3939382 3y agoSomething feels very wrong about this class of tool (Docker Desktop) being mandatory GUI. I want 0 of the features provided by the GUI that aren't already in the CLI.
- nabogh 3y agoWhat feature is available in the desktop that's not available in the cli?
- seabrookmx 3y agox86-64 container support on Apple silicon comes to mind.
- technofiend 3y agoI have limited experience with podman on M1, having only pivoted recently thanks to the docker license issues but my experience so far on an M1 Mac was I couldn't initialize or start the application from the gui. Initialize timed out due to slow proxy speeds, so I had to use "podman machine start" at the command line to wait for the image download and install to complete. For whatever reason I couldn't start using the UI after a reboot because I got an EACCESS error and again command line worked which was then acknowledged as running via the UI. This is in an environment where the end-user has no root and podman is running in rootless mode. Once I got it running, I was able to crank up x86 http and postgres containers from the command line mostly with no issues, although pod termination seems to work better from the UI. In fact starting containers at command line throws a warning that your container architecture doesn't match your host architecture but that's it and podman just carries on after that. When you say x86-64, is there something special about 64-bit containers that makes them only work via the UI?
- seabrookmx 3y agoI was talking about Docker not podman, as that's what I assumed the parent comment was discussing. Docker CE does not offer an emulation layer for x86(-64) on ARM, to my knowledge.
- anbotero 3y agoKeep it up! What trickery does OrbStack[0] use to be fast? We went back to Podman Desktop because of the license[1], but the interactions on macOS are almost as slow as Docker Desktop. As for Podman itself, happy users here, and our workflows have been working for a while now. We are only missing faster local development. ---- [0]: https://orbstack.dev/ https://orbstack.dev/ [1]: https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq#free https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq#free
- moondev 3y agoI'm fairly certain orbstack runs "machines" as lxc containers on the host vm, and then container runtime inside. Not sure if that would make container operations any faster but it would speed up "machine" lifecycle. You can do this yourself via multipass, it's an interesting solution specifically on Apple Silicon because nested virtualization is not available and lxc does not require a hypervisor .
- kdrag0n 3y agoOrbStack dev here — sorry, can't reveal too much, but some of it is documented here: https://docs.orbstack.dev/architecture https://docs.orbstack.dev/architecture By "we" I assume you're referring to your company/employer, so I'm curious if there's any way the license could be more palatable short of being 100% free?
- zxexz 3y agoNothing against this model, but your website states “OrbStack is completely free to use during beta, but it will become a paid product afterwards.”[0] Also, the rest of the page implies OrbStack will be charging for any commercial use. If this is the case, I don’t see how this is “free” in the sense that most people on this site interpret it. Have you thought about the FOSS model with support, maybe a Jetbrains style thing - adding enterprise/paid features on top of the FOSS stack? [0] https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq
- satvikpendem 3y ago
- andersrs 3y agoHow is macbook battery life with Podman? Docker really kills battery life.
- jbverschoor 3y agoI will hereby celebrate one week with orbstack!
- wiradikusuma 3y agoSo Podman Desktop/OrbStack are Docker Desktop replacement? Do you need Docker (CLI and Desktop) installed? Or, you should uninstall them first?
- naikrovek 3y agouninstall them first. podman desktop is a drop-in replacement, iirc.