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Why not switch to linux though? You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac, and battery aside, can

Why not switch to linux though? You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac, and battery aside, can do a lot more, is upgradeable and not locked in. Just a thought.

wiseowise 3y ago
> You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac Such as? And does it have Mac keyboard layout? Because it is absolutely superior to anything on non-Mac land.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  I like the asus proart studiobook. It has the option of a 3d display without glasses. Dial doesnt work though, but the specs are pretty decent and build quality is great. Battery life is shit unless you shutdown some cores and apply other scriptable settings. Keyboard feels better than any macbook i ever owned, better than the magic keyboard. Ram, hdds and wifi card are upgradeable and are of pretty good specs. Screen resolution is high, has a touchscreen, high refresh rate, usb, thunderbolt and hdmi ports, etc. But you know taste is personal and there are plenty other options.
- franga2000 3y ago
  What's different about the mac layout? Looks fairly standard to me, even the labels seem the same, apart from the trivially remappable control/alt/command/meta/whatever keys...
swozey 3y ago
This is hilariously biased. This is HN, you're not talking to people who don't know what Linux is. Hell, a huge portion of us are linux engineers of various sorts. You're also in a thread literally about a linux app. Anyway. I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. OSX GUI applications absolutely blow everything that Linux has out of the water. I don't care if we're talking KDE, i3, dwm, cinnamon. The worst part about OSX applications is they aren't cheap. Even small apps like Soundsource a https://rogueamoeba.com/soundsource/ https://rogueamoeba.com/soundsource/ are usually $30+ but they are fantastic. The thought of using pipewire and all the configuration hell you have to do to it to make it like Soundsource is a complete turn off. OSX apps work. They integrate. They look great and there are a LOT of them that do pretty unique things that I haven't seen in Windows or Linux. I work on Linux 8 hours a day from OSX and about 30% of my time is using Win11 on my gaming desktop. Also, now that I'm on an m1 max there is no way in the world I'm going back to x86 as my productivity machine.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  > I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. You probably had enough of it. I’d be sick of it after 20 years even if it were the shiniest option out there.
  - swozey 3y ago
    lol You're 100% right. I don't enjoy fixing linux at all after work. I used to do the VFIO GPU gaming desktop w/ linux + windows passthrough but I finally got over it and just installed windows on my desktop.
    - gumballindie 3y ago
      And there’s not a single problem with that. Though these days you dont need to hack much for gaming.
- augusto-moura 3y ago
  This reply is also biased, maybe we had some bad experience in the past, but the example you made, Pipewire, is one of the things I was stunned that worked out of the box. It is relatively recent but it is already installed by default on most modern distros, and no "configuration hell" required. Linux applications might not be as good-looking as most of Apple store ones, but most of them sure work. I'm not saying that you should switch to Linux, you do you, and to be honest Linux is not that friendly anyway. But that is not reason to stone linux to death, the parent comment is not even that offensive for MacOS users, it just asks if switching to linux would be an option, as an thought
  - swozey 3y ago
    Of course it comes installed so you can listen to audio. That isn't what Soundsource does - you CAN make Pipewire work like soundsource, though. Of course my post is biased. I gave my opinion as someone who uses both vs someone who only uses linux and doesn't know osx. Any Linux user telling me that "Linux does more than OSX" is getting my biased reply. Per app audio redirection, per app effects, per app volume control, system-wide effects, headphone equalizer, auto change inputs/outputs etc. I haven't worked with pipewire in a long time but I had to use another app with some complicated GUI of "wires" or pipes to get the same affect. I can't remember the name of it now. edit: Wireplumber or Mixx/Raysession, I forget. It was a huge pain comparatively. Mixx - https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/mixxx/original/2X/a/a32d04259bb801863ff987d66b960689d7fe2af9.png https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/mixxx/origin... wireplumber -https://forum.level1techs.com/uploads/default/original/4X/e/b/8/eb855cab65a78074930e8972a8d3f50ed3b673e3.png https://forum.level1techs.com/uploads/default/original/4X/e/...
ncallaway 3y ago
> You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac This is obviously a personal opinion, but just isn't close to true for me. I stopped using apple laptops 3 years ago, and I've never found a non-apple device with a trackpad as good as the mac.
akyuu 3y ago
Could you list some examples of such hardware? I'm interested.

wiseowise 3y ago

> You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac Such as? And does it have Mac keyboard layout? Because it is absolutely superior to anything on non-Mac land.

gumballindie 3y ago
I like the asus proart studiobook. It has the option of a 3d display without glasses. Dial doesnt work though, but the specs are pretty decent and build quality is great. Battery life is shit unless you shutdown some cores and apply other scriptable settings. Keyboard feels better than any macbook i ever owned, better than the magic keyboard. Ram, hdds and wifi card are upgradeable and are of pretty good specs. Screen resolution is high, has a touchscreen, high refresh rate, usb, thunderbolt and hdmi ports, etc. But you know taste is personal and there are plenty other options.
franga2000 3y ago
What's different about the mac layout? Looks fairly standard to me, even the labels seem the same, apart from the trivially remappable control/alt/command/meta/whatever keys...

swozey 3y ago

This is hilariously biased. This is HN, you're not talking to people who don't know what Linux is. Hell, a huge portion of us are linux engineers of various sorts. You're also in a thread literally about a linux app. Anyway. I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. OSX GUI applications absolutely blow everything that Linux has out of the water. I don't care if we're talking KDE, i3, dwm, cinnamon. The worst part about OSX applications is they aren't cheap. Even small apps like Soundsource a https://rogueamoeba.com/soundsource/ https://rogueamoeba.com/soundsource/ are usually $30+ but they are fantastic. The thought of using pipewire and all the configuration hell you have to do to it to make it like Soundsource is a complete turn off. OSX apps work. They integrate. They look great and there are a LOT of them that do pretty unique things that I haven't seen in Windows or Linux. I work on Linux 8 hours a day from OSX and about 30% of my time is using Win11 on my gaming desktop. Also, now that I'm on an m1 max there is no way in the world I'm going back to x86 as my productivity machine.

gumballindie 3y ago
> I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. You probably had enough of it. I’d be sick of it after 20 years even if it were the shiniest option out there.
- swozey 3y ago
  lol You're 100% right. I don't enjoy fixing linux at all after work. I used to do the VFIO GPU gaming desktop w/ linux + windows passthrough but I finally got over it and just installed windows on my desktop.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    And there’s not a single problem with that. Though these days you dont need to hack much for gaming.
augusto-moura 3y ago
This reply is also biased, maybe we had some bad experience in the past, but the example you made, Pipewire, is one of the things I was stunned that worked out of the box. It is relatively recent but it is already installed by default on most modern distros, and no "configuration hell" required. Linux applications might not be as good-looking as most of Apple store ones, but most of them sure work. I'm not saying that you should switch to Linux, you do you, and to be honest Linux is not that friendly anyway. But that is not reason to stone linux to death, the parent comment is not even that offensive for MacOS users, it just asks if switching to linux would be an option, as an thought
- swozey 3y ago
  Of course it comes installed so you can listen to audio. That isn't what Soundsource does - you CAN make Pipewire work like soundsource, though. Of course my post is biased. I gave my opinion as someone who uses both vs someone who only uses linux and doesn't know osx. Any Linux user telling me that "Linux does more than OSX" is getting my biased reply. Per app audio redirection, per app effects, per app volume control, system-wide effects, headphone equalizer, auto change inputs/outputs etc. I haven't worked with pipewire in a long time but I had to use another app with some complicated GUI of "wires" or pipes to get the same affect. I can't remember the name of it now. edit: Wireplumber or Mixx/Raysession, I forget. It was a huge pain comparatively. Mixx - https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/mixxx/original/2X/a/a32d04259bb801863ff987d66b960689d7fe2af9.png https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/mixxx/origin... wireplumber -https://forum.level1techs.com/uploads/default/original/4X/e/b/8/eb855cab65a78074930e8972a8d3f50ed3b673e3.png https://forum.level1techs.com/uploads/default/original/4X/e/...

ncallaway 3y ago

> You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac This is obviously a personal opinion, but just isn't close to true for me. I stopped using apple laptops 3 years ago, and I've never found a non-apple device with a trackpad as good as the mac.

akyuu 3y ago

Could you list some examples of such hardware? I'm interested.