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Funny how "tech work" is associated with working for companies that spy on everyone and show ads (FB, Google) instead of companies that actually provide tools t

by zirgs 3y ago

Funny how "tech work" is associated with working for companies that spy on everyone and show ads (FB, Google) instead of companies that actually provide tools to manufacture tech stuff (Dassault Systemes).

isaacremuant 3y ago
Tech is associated with programming related fields. It doesn't necessarily have to do with ads, you just selected the 2 FAANG ones that fit your point and ignored the likes of Apple or Amazon.
- fsflover 3y ago
  Are you implying that Apple or Amazon don't spy on you? > ignored the likes of Apple https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 > or Amazon https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17474359 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17474359
  - Tagbert 3y ago
    You might have included the article titles in those links Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 Yes, Amazon Is Tracking People https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17474359 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17474359
  - isaacremuant 3y ago
    Are you implying you can't read? I said "ads". I didn't talk about spying. Problem with "spying" is that nearly every company that can, is trying to. I'm not familiar with dassault systemes but wouldn't be surprised if they did too, to "improve their products". The degree of sophistication obviously varies. The top comment was incredibly reductive and it seems it's going to turn into a pointless flamewar soon enough.
    - fsflover 3y ago
      > I said "ads". I didn't talk about spying. To me, they are almost always going together. Let's see if you like these links then: Apple Finds Its Next Big Business: Showing Ads on Your iPhone (bloomberg.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32461690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32461690 Apple developers are frustrated with gambling ads appearing across the App Store (theverge.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33346376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33346376 Apple benefits its own ads in the name of privacy (twitter.com/patrickmcgee_) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28897027 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28897027 Amazon ads are everywhere. It’s only the beginning (vox.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33695968 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33695968
      - Tagbert 3y ago
        For Apple those ads are only appearing in very limited locations. Apple News articles App Store results App Store listings That's it. Apple isn't doing a large, general audience advertising network.
        fsflover 3y ago
        Yet.
- mminer237 3y ago
  Amazon is one of the largest advertising firms on the Internet: https://www.chartr.co/stories/2021-04-09-3-amazons-advertising-business https://www.chartr.co/stories/2021-04-09-3-amazons-advertisi... Since that article, it's only shifting more towards making money selling ads to boost your product on its product listing than it is actually selling products.
jfdbcv 3y ago
Isn't this overly simplistic and reductionist? You're ignoring that many of the large American tech companies provide cloud platforms, which certainly fits the bill of "providing tools to manufacture stuff"
- zirgs 3y ago
  To me "tech" means heavy industry, manufacturing stuff like cars, ships, planes - also making computer parts, phones, TVs, cameras etc. But the biggest American so-called "tech" companies seem to be all about surveillance, privacy violations, selling data of their users and "adtech", unfortunately. And also bypassing laws and regulations while abusing their workers - airbnb, uber and other "innovative" companies like that. If Europe is lagging behind, because we don't have those "adtech" companies then - good - I don't want us to be ahead. You are free to compete with China to see who will invade their citizens' privacy harder. And what about actual high-tech stuff like bullet trains, maglevs, etc? How many of those has the USA built lately?

by zirgs 3y ago

isaacremuant 3y ago

Tech is associated with programming related fields. It doesn't necessarily have to do with ads, you just selected the 2 FAANG ones that fit your point and ignored the likes of Apple or Amazon.

fsflover 3y ago
Are you implying that Apple or Amazon don't spy on you? > ignored the likes of Apple https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 > or Amazon https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17474359 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17474359
- Tagbert 3y ago
  You might have included the article titles in those links Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 Yes, Amazon Is Tracking People https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17474359 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17474359
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  Are you implying you can't read? I said "ads". I didn't talk about spying. Problem with "spying" is that nearly every company that can, is trying to. I'm not familiar with dassault systemes but wouldn't be surprised if they did too, to "improve their products". The degree of sophistication obviously varies. The top comment was incredibly reductive and it seems it's going to turn into a pointless flamewar soon enough.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    > I said "ads". I didn't talk about spying. To me, they are almost always going together. Let's see if you like these links then: Apple Finds Its Next Big Business: Showing Ads on Your iPhone (bloomberg.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32461690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32461690 Apple developers are frustrated with gambling ads appearing across the App Store (theverge.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33346376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33346376 Apple benefits its own ads in the name of privacy (twitter.com/patrickmcgee_) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28897027 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28897027 Amazon ads are everywhere. It’s only the beginning (vox.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33695968 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33695968
    - Tagbert 3y ago
      For Apple those ads are only appearing in very limited locations. Apple News articles App Store results App Store listings That's it. Apple isn't doing a large, general audience advertising network.
      - fsflover 3y ago
        Yet.
mminer237 3y ago
Amazon is one of the largest advertising firms on the Internet: https://www.chartr.co/stories/2021-04-09-3-amazons-advertising-business https://www.chartr.co/stories/2021-04-09-3-amazons-advertisi... Since that article, it's only shifting more towards making money selling ads to boost your product on its product listing than it is actually selling products.

jfdbcv 3y ago

Isn't this overly simplistic and reductionist? You're ignoring that many of the large American tech companies provide cloud platforms, which certainly fits the bill of "providing tools to manufacture stuff"

zirgs 3y ago
To me "tech" means heavy industry, manufacturing stuff like cars, ships, planes - also making computer parts, phones, TVs, cameras etc. But the biggest American so-called "tech" companies seem to be all about surveillance, privacy violations, selling data of their users and "adtech", unfortunately. And also bypassing laws and regulations while abusing their workers - airbnb, uber and other "innovative" companies like that. If Europe is lagging behind, because we don't have those "adtech" companies then - good - I don't want us to be ahead. You are free to compete with China to see who will invade their citizens' privacy harder. And what about actual high-tech stuff like bullet trains, maglevs, etc? How many of those has the USA built lately?