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Windows is nowadays required for maybe 2 major things: games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss), and some video

Windows is nowadays required for maybe 2 major things: games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss), and some video conference software (e.g. webex with camera). I install Windows only for job interviews. Usually I install it 2 days ahead, and keep running windows update repeatedly, until it finally finishes with everything, and I can use the system for a 30 minutes call, before I would install a usable OS. Maybe a bit tangential: until about 10 years ago I used only Windows. One day I tried make something bluetooth related work on it, I don't even remember what. I just remember that it kept failing in a very cryptic way. It got me so angry after many hours that I just deleted the whole OS, and swore that I will learn Linux starting immediately, and that will be my main system going forward. It became my career after a few months, lol. Don't know if I should be grateful for Windows or not.

throwaway70134 3y ago
And Android ROM stuff. All the vendor-specific ROM flashing apps are Windows only and I don't have the balls to run it via Wine. Sadly not even macOS (my main system) is an option.
- tetris11 3y ago
  There are usually linux alternatives. Heimdall is a pretty good alternative to Odin
  - jamal-kumar 3y ago
    I started this thread and I will chime in on this Lmao nah that shit doesn't work
    - tetris11 3y ago
      YMMV, but in my experience it works flawlessly. If that fails there are chip specific tools you can use to read/write to the right partitions, such as the fantastic EDL tool for Qualcomm devices: https://github.com/bkerler/edl https://github.com/bkerler/edl
kouteiheika 3y ago
> Windows is nowadays required for maybe 2 major things: games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss) I'll be honest: I find it that it's very much a hit nowadays, rather than a miss. With Valve doing so much work around Proton I can basically buy a random Windows-only game off Steam and... it just works. I don't even remember anymore a time when a game I wanted to play didn't just work. (Of course this doesn't include multiplayer games with anti-cheat. If you like those then yes, you still need Windows.)
- marklar423 3y ago
  Seconded, Proton has made it absurdly easy, to the point where if you aren't told there's a compatibility layer it's hard to know it's even there.
- not_your_vase 3y ago
  Possibly you are right. Must admit, I don't play a lot on my PC. I play sometimes the Portal series, which runs natively on Linux. My data set for my previous statement is admittedly not a big one: the one that I wanted to use Wine for was the Syberia series (I'm old), which has reports ranging from "doesn't work" to "works perfectly". It didn't work for me: it randomly either crashed, or just froze a few minutes into the game. Granted, haven't tried it since at least a year or so.
HansHamster 3y ago
> games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss) I used to dual-boot for a few games, but nowadays I just don't bother anymore. I check protondb beforehand and most of the games I played just ran without issues. I think the last time I booted Windows for games was for Space Engineers a couple of years ago (which seems to work now, but looks like a pain to set up).
vladvasiliu 3y ago
I still use Windows for Photoshop and for games. Sure, more and more games seem to work with Steam's thing, but I sometimes get a noticeable performance boost when playing the same title under Windows compared to Linux. There was some Tomb Raider game which could barely do FHD on Linux but worked perfectly with max settings and 4k under Windows. > and some video conference software (e.g. webex with camera Meh, IME webex works fine enough in a browser (Firefox/X11). I haven't had any more issues under than Linux than my colleagues running Windows. Even Teams is just as crappy under Linux. > [bluetooth] I like when people complain about Linux and the proverbial crappy sound issues. The best Bluetooth headphone experience I've ever had was hands down Linux (though I've never had AirPods). It's the only one which connects reliably to my phones right away (macos was usually good enough at this) and it's also the only one that can use the better codec (ldac).

throwaway70134 3y ago

And Android ROM stuff. All the vendor-specific ROM flashing apps are Windows only and I don't have the balls to run it via Wine. Sadly not even macOS (my main system) is an option.

tetris11 3y ago
There are usually linux alternatives. Heimdall is a pretty good alternative to Odin
- jamal-kumar 3y ago
  I started this thread and I will chime in on this Lmao nah that shit doesn't work
  - tetris11 3y ago
    YMMV, but in my experience it works flawlessly. If that fails there are chip specific tools you can use to read/write to the right partitions, such as the fantastic EDL tool for Qualcomm devices: https://github.com/bkerler/edl https://github.com/bkerler/edl

kouteiheika 3y ago

> Windows is nowadays required for maybe 2 major things: games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss) I'll be honest: I find it that it's very much a hit nowadays, rather than a miss. With Valve doing so much work around Proton I can basically buy a random Windows-only game off Steam and... it just works. I don't even remember anymore a time when a game I wanted to play didn't just work. (Of course this doesn't include multiplayer games with anti-cheat. If you like those then yes, you still need Windows.)

marklar423 3y ago
Seconded, Proton has made it absurdly easy, to the point where if you aren't told there's a compatibility layer it's hard to know it's even there.
not_your_vase 3y ago
Possibly you are right. Must admit, I don't play a lot on my PC. I play sometimes the Portal series, which runs natively on Linux. My data set for my previous statement is admittedly not a big one: the one that I wanted to use Wine for was the Syberia series (I'm old), which has reports ranging from "doesn't work" to "works perfectly". It didn't work for me: it randomly either crashed, or just froze a few minutes into the game. Granted, haven't tried it since at least a year or so.

HansHamster 3y ago

> games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss) I used to dual-boot for a few games, but nowadays I just don't bother anymore. I check protondb beforehand and most of the games I played just ran without issues. I think the last time I booted Windows for games was for Space Engineers a couple of years ago (which seems to work now, but looks like a pain to set up).

vladvasiliu 3y ago

I still use Windows for Photoshop and for games. Sure, more and more games seem to work with Steam's thing, but I sometimes get a noticeable performance boost when playing the same title under Windows compared to Linux. There was some Tomb Raider game which could barely do FHD on Linux but worked perfectly with max settings and 4k under Windows. > and some video conference software (e.g. webex with camera Meh, IME webex works fine enough in a browser (Firefox/X11). I haven't had any more issues under than Linux than my colleagues running Windows. Even Teams is just as crappy under Linux. > [bluetooth] I like when people complain about Linux and the proverbial crappy sound issues. The best Bluetooth headphone experience I've ever had was hands down Linux (though I've never had AirPods). It's the only one which connects reliably to my phones right away (macos was usually good enough at this) and it's also the only one that can use the better codec (ldac).