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If you aren't sure just tell them the salary you wish upfront. "I won't move unless I get at least X as my current team is really cool, so I'd want atleast tha

If you aren't sure just tell them the salary you wish upfront. "I won't move unless I get at least X as my current team is really cool, so I'd want atleast that to consider the move".

willcipriano 3y ago
"We can't talk money until you have been interviewed by everyone in the building but this is a really great opportunity and I know once you meet the team at Arby's you'll be smitten, I've worked with Phillip for the last 3 months and he walks on water."
- flir 3y ago
  Ok, well thanks for your time. If you hear of anything else I'd be suitable for, please let me know.
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    No, I don't think so. I put my resume online recently, and I started getting some "opportunities" that were absolute garbage. Like, $19/hour for circuit board testing. Um, hello? You didn't bother to look at the resume very hard, did you? That 35 years of software engineering experience should tell you that I'm not looking for anything like that. So if you're throwing me a job that is completely unsuited, no, don't tell me if you hear of anything else. You're just throwing every job at every candidate, and hoping that something sticks for someone. In the process, you're wasting my time (and everyone else's). The odds are too high that your next "opportunity" is also going to be a waste of my time, so no, don't let me know.
    - flir 3y ago
      I don't expect them to actually do it, it's just a way to end the conversation on a positive note. They're going to add you to the spam db whatever you say.
      - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
        I'd rather end with a polite "no, not interested in other opportunities", in the home that at least some of the time, they won't continue to spam me. And, in fact, I just went through this. I was job hunting, and I put my resume on Monster and Indeed. I started getting garbage offers by email - offers that looked like they detected that I was "technical" and a job was "technical", but not much closer than that. But most of those emails also had a (not very obvious!) "unsubscribe" button. Surprisingly, that actually worked. (I mean, there were a number of such places, so I had to do it several times...)
        flir 3y ago
        I can handle the email spam. Just a thought, but I have a presentation number on my CV that's only active when I'm jobhunting - otherwise it just rings out. Are you talking about phone spam? That would be several million times more irritating.
        AnimalMuppet 3y ago
        No, it was email spam. Fortunately, I haven't had recruiters phone spamming me. I have had cold calls, but when I say "not interested", they don't continue.
        johnnyanmac 3y ago
        YMMV, but I can count the number of overly persistent recruiters after saying "no" on one hand. I don't respond to everyone, but I'm also not hardballing when I do respond.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    I've found about 50% of the time they go into the hard sell if you respond at all so I don't unless I'm looking for a job.
- nunez 3y ago
  Kindly, but immediately, disqualify if they do this.
AnimalMuppet 3y ago
Even if you're sure you don't want them, pay attention to how they operate. Are they the kind of recruiter that you want to deal with when you are looking? Then make a note of who they are. Keep a file of recruiters that you want to deal with. When the time comes that you want to move, use that list as a starting point.
- flir 3y ago
  > Then make a note of who they are. Keep a file of recruiters that you want to deal with. This is why I dislike linkedin. When everything was done via email, it was much simpler to find all previous interactions with that person if they cropped up again. My own minimal CRM.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  I look for extremely niche jobs so I often say "When I do switch, I'm looking for a C# or Rust desktop dev job in a Math/Science setting" or similar. Because if you'd only switch to 1 job of 10k, then you really don't want to miss that one (Also, you can't be picky about comp, but that's a separate story). I have actually had recruiters reach out years later because they found something.
__s 3y ago
I do this For most companies I would give them "I want 300k CAD base salary to consider it" & that'd usually end the conversation right there A year ago Timescale reached out, seemed like an interesting situation (good fit since I work on Citus), so I lowered the bar & told them I'd want 190k CAD base & 40k CAD signing bonus to consider it. They said that fell in range. Interviews went well. Unfortunately it turned out my ask wasn't in range: 180k CAD (apparently this was top of range for the level's band now) & only some options for signing, base would be total comp since it'd be as a contractor So I let them know when I say "I want X to consider the position" that means I'm telling them a hard limit floor. Still, having a competing offer that was somewhat competitive with my current role (base quite a bit lower, but shares/bonus make up good portion of total comp) enabled late promo with nice raise So this worked out for me, but recruiters will tell you X is okay & then try talk you down at the end. Maybe my wording should've been clearer that I was disclosing my floor to them
- enoughjobspam 3y ago
  I've had the same situation at Wikipedia. "I want X" and got a response that X was very within the range. Then they deducted all benefits from X and showed me a contract for Y. Recruiters will just tell you whatever you want to hear.
- treprinum 3y ago
  Bait & switch all the time, talk about high pay then low-ball you in the end.
commandlinefan 3y ago
You're pretty optimistic, but you don't know how scummy some of them can actually be. A few years back, I did exactly this, the recruiter agreed, I went through the whole interview process, _put in my two weeks notice at my current job_ and then the recruiter said, "Oh, by the way, they said they couldn't meet your salary expectations, they can offer (less than you were making at your current job)".
- znpy 3y ago
  > "Oh, by the way, they said they couldn't meet your salary expectations, they can offer (less than you were making at your current job)" Life lesson: never leave any job unless you have another one with a binding contract signed from both parties.

If you aren't sure just tell them the salary you wish upfront. "I won't move unless I get at least X as my current team is really cool, so I'd want atleast that to consider the move".

willcipriano 3y ago

"We can't talk money until you have been interviewed by everyone in the building but this is a really great opportunity and I know once you meet the team at Arby's you'll be smitten, I've worked with Phillip for the last 3 months and he walks on water."

flir 3y ago
Ok, well thanks for your time. If you hear of anything else I'd be suitable for, please let me know.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  No, I don't think so. I put my resume online recently, and I started getting some "opportunities" that were absolute garbage. Like, $19/hour for circuit board testing. Um, hello? You didn't bother to look at the resume very hard, did you? That 35 years of software engineering experience should tell you that I'm not looking for anything like that. So if you're throwing me a job that is completely unsuited, no, don't tell me if you hear of anything else. You're just throwing every job at every candidate, and hoping that something sticks for someone. In the process, you're wasting my time (and everyone else's). The odds are too high that your next "opportunity" is also going to be a waste of my time, so no, don't let me know.
  - flir 3y ago
    I don't expect them to actually do it, it's just a way to end the conversation on a positive note. They're going to add you to the spam db whatever you say.
    - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
      I'd rather end with a polite "no, not interested in other opportunities", in the home that at least some of the time, they won't continue to spam me. And, in fact, I just went through this. I was job hunting, and I put my resume on Monster and Indeed. I started getting garbage offers by email - offers that looked like they detected that I was "technical" and a job was "technical", but not much closer than that. But most of those emails also had a (not very obvious!) "unsubscribe" button. Surprisingly, that actually worked. (I mean, there were a number of such places, so I had to do it several times...)
      - flir 3y ago
        I can handle the email spam. Just a thought, but I have a presentation number on my CV that's only active when I'm jobhunting - otherwise it just rings out. Are you talking about phone spam? That would be several million times more irritating.
        AnimalMuppet 3y ago
        No, it was email spam. Fortunately, I haven't had recruiters phone spamming me. I have had cold calls, but when I say "not interested", they don't continue.
      - johnnyanmac 3y ago
        YMMV, but I can count the number of overly persistent recruiters after saying "no" on one hand. I don't respond to everyone, but I'm also not hardballing when I do respond.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  I've found about 50% of the time they go into the hard sell if you respond at all so I don't unless I'm looking for a job.
nunez 3y ago
Kindly, but immediately, disqualify if they do this.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

Even if you're sure you don't want them, pay attention to how they operate. Are they the kind of recruiter that you want to deal with when you are looking? Then make a note of who they are. Keep a file of recruiters that you want to deal with. When the time comes that you want to move, use that list as a starting point.

flir 3y ago
> Then make a note of who they are. Keep a file of recruiters that you want to deal with. This is why I dislike linkedin. When everything was done via email, it was much simpler to find all previous interactions with that person if they cropped up again. My own minimal CRM.
alkonaut 3y ago
I look for extremely niche jobs so I often say "When I do switch, I'm looking for a C# or Rust desktop dev job in a Math/Science setting" or similar. Because if you'd only switch to 1 job of 10k, then you really don't want to miss that one (Also, you can't be picky about comp, but that's a separate story). I have actually had recruiters reach out years later because they found something.

__s 3y ago

I do this For most companies I would give them "I want 300k CAD base salary to consider it" & that'd usually end the conversation right there A year ago Timescale reached out, seemed like an interesting situation (good fit since I work on Citus), so I lowered the bar & told them I'd want 190k CAD base & 40k CAD signing bonus to consider it. They said that fell in range. Interviews went well. Unfortunately it turned out my ask wasn't in range: 180k CAD (apparently this was top of range for the level's band now) & only some options for signing, base would be total comp since it'd be as a contractor So I let them know when I say "I want X to consider the position" that means I'm telling them a hard limit floor. Still, having a competing offer that was somewhat competitive with my current role (base quite a bit lower, but shares/bonus make up good portion of total comp) enabled late promo with nice raise So this worked out for me, but recruiters will tell you X is okay & then try talk you down at the end. Maybe my wording should've been clearer that I was disclosing my floor to them

enoughjobspam 3y ago
I've had the same situation at Wikipedia. "I want X" and got a response that X was very within the range. Then they deducted all benefits from X and showed me a contract for Y. Recruiters will just tell you whatever you want to hear.
treprinum 3y ago
Bait & switch all the time, talk about high pay then low-ball you in the end.

commandlinefan 3y ago

You're pretty optimistic, but you don't know how scummy some of them can actually be. A few years back, I did exactly this, the recruiter agreed, I went through the whole interview process, _put in my two weeks notice at my current job_ and then the recruiter said, "Oh, by the way, they said they couldn't meet your salary expectations, they can offer (less than you were making at your current job)".

znpy 3y ago
> "Oh, by the way, they said they couldn't meet your salary expectations, they can offer (less than you were making at your current job)" Life lesson: never leave any job unless you have another one with a binding contract signed from both parties.