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Ask HN: Will Google kill 1Password, LastPass and others?

22 points by ajiriaefihe 3y ago

Google is promoting Chrome's and Android's password management feature very heavily with the latest release. Are these companies doomed?

Solitude042 3y ago
No. Password managers are applicable beyond browser & android environments. Beyond that, other products provide features & UX that may be preferred, and some companies require a specific password manager (and forbid the use of Google's offerings).
- Justsignedup 3y ago
  To add. The password management space is vast. And 1password seems healthy in it's finances. So I see no reason for it to get killed off. Password managers existed in browser's and on apple products for a long while now. The problem is that they tie you to an ecosystem and if you're not allllllll bought in, you can't use it oast your phone for example.
- ianburrell 3y ago
  Also, Android and iOS both have good support for external password managers. Using 1Password is seamless for me on both platforms. Chrome and Firefox extension aren’t as seamlesss but pretty smooth. This means can use 1Password where could never use Google or Apple.
WallyFunk 3y ago
LastPass is already dead https://www.wired.com/story/lastpass-breach-vaults-password-managers/ https://www.wired.com/story/lastpass-breach-vaults-password-...
- paulddraper 3y ago
  LastPass is very very far from dead. It is the market leader, multiple times larger than the runner up. [1] (But this is HN.... Facts shouldn't get in the way of a good story!) [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331322/password-management-market-share/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331322/password-managem...
  - seeknotfind 3y ago
    Easier to brute force a password against a local archive than a login portal, but if you have a good password, should? Be? Safe? For? A? Few? Years?
  - muzani 3y ago
    It's paywalled, but that is last year's data. I think the straw that broke the camel's back for many people is December 2022, on the Thursday before Christmas. On a personal angle, I tried renewing LastPass personal this year, payment failed, so I switched to another. I don't expect them to lose much ground though. Something like a password manager will have some very strong lock in inertia, but it's telling that people actually take the effort to move away from it.
softwaredoug 3y ago
Here’s the major flaw. With iCloud Keychain Or Chrome it assumes that platform as central to everything you do. All it takes is one exception to be really annoying. For example I don’t use chrome on my iPhone. I don’t use safari on my work laptop. Etc. If you can get access, the access outside the core platforms are afterthoughts. Such as iCloud keychains chrome plugin. Apps like 1password don’t favor one platform over another. There isn’t a conflict of interest for which platforms will be supported.
- comprev 3y ago
  Cross platform support is the primary reason I use 1Password over the others.
KomoD 3y ago
No, but LastPass is already dead so
- 1253 3y ago
  Oh wow, that’s crazy https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331322/password-management-market-share/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331322/password-managem...
  - KomoD 3y ago
    "You need a Statista Account for unlimited access" Useless link
    - 1253 3y ago
      Weird, not what happened to me, not sure what changed. But your initial comment is just as useless. Basically last pass has ~20% market share where as everything else is less than 5
    - 1123581321 3y ago
      Here's the graph. https://i.imgur.com/aRGj6Ww.png https://i.imgur.com/aRGj6Ww.png The other user didn't get the paywall because Statista isn't showing it to people who enter the site from Google.
olegious 3y ago
No. I don't want to get locked out of my password manager by some algorithmic mistake (like has happened to some users that have their Google accounts locked).
AA-BA-94-2A-56 3y ago
I'm on a iOS device, so I highly doubt Google's password management is enough to make me switch from 1Password.
selbyk 3y ago
I don't trust Google as much these days and try to move away from walled gardens rather than adopt more of their offerings
logicalmonster 3y ago
I think individual password management might be a slowly dying business as these features will be baked into OSes and browsers, but there's probably room in the marketplace for password management features that work with organizations in the exact way they want it to. Mega-corporations will probably have unique authentication and authorization requirements in the future that work in specific ways that individual password managers can't cope with.
ryanwaggoner 3y ago
Is Google capable of killing anything these days, other than their own products?

22 points by ajiriaefihe 3y ago

Google is promoting Chrome's and Android's password management feature very heavily with the latest release. Are these companies doomed?

Solitude042 3y ago

No. Password managers are applicable beyond browser & android environments. Beyond that, other products provide features & UX that may be preferred, and some companies require a specific password manager (and forbid the use of Google's offerings).

Justsignedup 3y ago
To add. The password management space is vast. And 1password seems healthy in it's finances. So I see no reason for it to get killed off. Password managers existed in browser's and on apple products for a long while now. The problem is that they tie you to an ecosystem and if you're not allllllll bought in, you can't use it oast your phone for example.
ianburrell 3y ago
Also, Android and iOS both have good support for external password managers. Using 1Password is seamless for me on both platforms. Chrome and Firefox extension aren’t as seamlesss but pretty smooth. This means can use 1Password where could never use Google or Apple.

WallyFunk 3y ago

LastPass is already dead https://www.wired.com/story/lastpass-breach-vaults-password-managers/ https://www.wired.com/story/lastpass-breach-vaults-password-...

paulddraper 3y ago
LastPass is very very far from dead. It is the market leader, multiple times larger than the runner up. [1] (But this is HN.... Facts shouldn't get in the way of a good story!) [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331322/password-management-market-share/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331322/password-managem...
- seeknotfind 3y ago
  Easier to brute force a password against a local archive than a login portal, but if you have a good password, should? Be? Safe? For? A? Few? Years?
- muzani 3y ago
  It's paywalled, but that is last year's data. I think the straw that broke the camel's back for many people is December 2022, on the Thursday before Christmas. On a personal angle, I tried renewing LastPass personal this year, payment failed, so I switched to another. I don't expect them to lose much ground though. Something like a password manager will have some very strong lock in inertia, but it's telling that people actually take the effort to move away from it.

softwaredoug 3y ago

Here’s the major flaw. With iCloud Keychain Or Chrome it assumes that platform as central to everything you do. All it takes is one exception to be really annoying. For example I don’t use chrome on my iPhone. I don’t use safari on my work laptop. Etc. If you can get access, the access outside the core platforms are afterthoughts. Such as iCloud keychains chrome plugin. Apps like 1password don’t favor one platform over another. There isn’t a conflict of interest for which platforms will be supported.

comprev 3y ago
Cross platform support is the primary reason I use 1Password over the others.

KomoD 3y ago

No, but LastPass is already dead so

1253 3y ago
Oh wow, that’s crazy https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331322/password-management-market-share/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331322/password-managem...
- KomoD 3y ago
  "You need a Statista Account for unlimited access" Useless link
  - 1253 3y ago
    Weird, not what happened to me, not sure what changed. But your initial comment is just as useless. Basically last pass has ~20% market share where as everything else is less than 5
  - 1123581321 3y ago
    Here's the graph. https://i.imgur.com/aRGj6Ww.png https://i.imgur.com/aRGj6Ww.png The other user didn't get the paywall because Statista isn't showing it to people who enter the site from Google.

olegious 3y ago

No. I don't want to get locked out of my password manager by some algorithmic mistake (like has happened to some users that have their Google accounts locked).

AA-BA-94-2A-56 3y ago

I'm on a iOS device, so I highly doubt Google's password management is enough to make me switch from 1Password.

selbyk 3y ago

I don't trust Google as much these days and try to move away from walled gardens rather than adopt more of their offerings

logicalmonster 3y ago

I think individual password management might be a slowly dying business as these features will be baked into OSes and browsers, but there's probably room in the marketplace for password management features that work with organizations in the exact way they want it to. Mega-corporations will probably have unique authentication and authorization requirements in the future that work in specific ways that individual password managers can't cope with.

ryanwaggoner 3y ago

Is Google capable of killing anything these days, other than their own products?