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You don't sound like an asshole, but you do sound oblivious. There are tens of millions of songs released every week. It's literally impossible to find new mus

by smt88 3y ago

You don't sound like an asshole, but you do sound oblivious. There are tens of millions of songs released every week. It's literally impossible to find new music you like without recommendations. In the past, people would get recommendations from people they know. Now we have the help of algorithms. They're not perfect, but most people will find hundreds of songs from random artists they never would have listened to and their friends/family probably have never heard of. There's no manual way to do that without spending an enormous amount of time on it (which I say as someone who did that in the 90s/00s).

zaps 3y ago
This. Old fogey over here too, and I would have stopped listening to any new music 15 years ago had it not been for streaming and recommendation algorithms.
- ocdtrekkie 3y ago
  I find new music on FM radio. It's free, it's curated, and I can then buy songs to add to my playlists. The fact people pay money for something already being beamed to their house for free sometimes astounds me.
  - epiccoleman 3y ago
    Most of the music I like doesn't get played on any local FM station - not to mention the constant advertising on radio.
    - prawn 3y ago
      To paraphrase up thread: If FM stations were the only way to discover new music, I would've given up on new music a long time ago. Absolutely can't stand radio or television advertising; I'd much rather listen to nails on a chalkboard.
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  - mr_toad 3y ago
    The FM stations here sound like they got stuck in a time-loop sometime last century. “We sound more like everyone else than anyone else”.
  - mbreese 3y ago
    I find it funny that you think FM radio isn’t also run by an algorithm. It is really rare to find a traditional DJ who gets to play whatever new music they want. Maybe from a college radio station, but not from most major market stations.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      depends on the station. And someone at this point still listening to FM radio and commenting on the internet probably isn't listening to any of the few remaining major stations.
OfSanguineFire 3y ago
> It's literally impossible to find new music you like without recommendations. As another old fogey, at least old enough to have been active in the filesharing scene, that filesharing has got me so much music stored on disk that it would take nearly a year to listen to every recording if they were played back-to-back 24/7. With such an embarrassment of riches, what need is there for continual recommendations for new music? Sure, I occasionally add new music if I come across some interesting mention of an artist in a book or article, but I have a hard time understanding why some other old fogeys feel that a discovery algorithm is essential.
- smt88 3y ago
  By that logic, what need is there of new books, paintings, movies, TV, or ideas? You can't possibly consume all the good ones already available to you. You may be surprised to learn that some people just enjoy exploring new and recent music. Music and culture change, so you can't just find everything you might want in a historical catalog.
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    > You may be surprised to learn that some people just enjoy exploring new and recent music. I never said otherwise. I just believe that most old-fogey listeners are going to divide their time between exploring new music and dealing with the backlog they quickly accumulate from that exploration, and therefore an algorithm that pumps out recommendations nonstop is not essential.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    >By that logic, what need is there of new books, paintings, movies, TV, or ideas? you may legimatey not need them based on your goals for the medium. For books, I tend to only read technical textbooks these days, so sure. I'm not looking for any fiction or biographies. Likewise, I really haven't bothered curating a playlist since Google Play Music shut down, I was barely adding new songs to my playlist by then anyway. >You may be surprised to learn that some people just enjoy exploring new and recent music. Sounds rough with the current landscape, especially if they feel stuck to Spotify. But if there's one thing I learned from exploring new and recent adult media, it's that the truly great stuff isn't found on Pornhub. You gotta search deep and discover your kinks through "word of mouth". Really teaches you to properly "research" when billion dollar corporations are too scared to touch your medium to begin with, and most forums forbid even talking about such stuff. and how to rummage through spam. My god, is there so much spam when you hit a niche adult theme and you just end up with weird russsian websites. Corporate propaganda shilling can't even phase me anymore
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>There are tens of millions of songs released every week. It's literally impossible to find new music you like without recommendations. how many forms of white noise do you really need? It's not really a "genre" people listen to for leisure. It's either for sleep or study. You're not intensely listening for lyrics nor rhythm nor anything other genres argue about, you don't care how the "artist" got the sounds.
imtringued 3y ago
If that is true, then most of those releases are inaccessible to most listeners. For example, Spotify only adds around 100k "songs" per day and that includes remasters and mixes of an existing song, no matter how small the change is. For someone who truly wants to pick from all those ten million songs, there isn't even a service that would let them listen to the songs, let alone find them and recommend them.

by smt88 3y ago

zaps 3y ago

This. Old fogey over here too, and I would have stopped listening to any new music 15 years ago had it not been for streaming and recommendation algorithms.

ocdtrekkie 3y ago
I find new music on FM radio. It's free, it's curated, and I can then buy songs to add to my playlists. The fact people pay money for something already being beamed to their house for free sometimes astounds me.
- epiccoleman 3y ago
  Most of the music I like doesn't get played on any local FM station - not to mention the constant advertising on radio.
  - prawn 3y ago
    To paraphrase up thread: If FM stations were the only way to discover new music, I would've given up on new music a long time ago. Absolutely can't stand radio or television advertising; I'd much rather listen to nails on a chalkboard.
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- mr_toad 3y ago
  The FM stations here sound like they got stuck in a time-loop sometime last century. “We sound more like everyone else than anyone else”.
- mbreese 3y ago
  I find it funny that you think FM radio isn’t also run by an algorithm. It is really rare to find a traditional DJ who gets to play whatever new music they want. Maybe from a college radio station, but not from most major market stations.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    depends on the station. And someone at this point still listening to FM radio and commenting on the internet probably isn't listening to any of the few remaining major stations.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

> It's literally impossible to find new music you like without recommendations. As another old fogey, at least old enough to have been active in the filesharing scene, that filesharing has got me so much music stored on disk that it would take nearly a year to listen to every recording if they were played back-to-back 24/7. With such an embarrassment of riches, what need is there for continual recommendations for new music? Sure, I occasionally add new music if I come across some interesting mention of an artist in a book or article, but I have a hard time understanding why some other old fogeys feel that a discovery algorithm is essential.

smt88 3y ago
By that logic, what need is there of new books, paintings, movies, TV, or ideas? You can't possibly consume all the good ones already available to you. You may be surprised to learn that some people just enjoy exploring new and recent music. Music and culture change, so you can't just find everything you might want in a historical catalog.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  > You may be surprised to learn that some people just enjoy exploring new and recent music. I never said otherwise. I just believe that most old-fogey listeners are going to divide their time between exploring new music and dealing with the backlog they quickly accumulate from that exploration, and therefore an algorithm that pumps out recommendations nonstop is not essential.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >By that logic, what need is there of new books, paintings, movies, TV, or ideas? you may legimatey not need them based on your goals for the medium. For books, I tend to only read technical textbooks these days, so sure. I'm not looking for any fiction or biographies. Likewise, I really haven't bothered curating a playlist since Google Play Music shut down, I was barely adding new songs to my playlist by then anyway. >You may be surprised to learn that some people just enjoy exploring new and recent music. Sounds rough with the current landscape, especially if they feel stuck to Spotify. But if there's one thing I learned from exploring new and recent adult media, it's that the truly great stuff isn't found on Pornhub. You gotta search deep and discover your kinks through "word of mouth". Really teaches you to properly "research" when billion dollar corporations are too scared to touch your medium to begin with, and most forums forbid even talking about such stuff. and how to rummage through spam. My god, is there so much spam when you hit a niche adult theme and you just end up with weird russsian websites. Corporate propaganda shilling can't even phase me anymore

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>There are tens of millions of songs released every week. It's literally impossible to find new music you like without recommendations. how many forms of white noise do you really need? It's not really a "genre" people listen to for leisure. It's either for sleep or study. You're not intensely listening for lyrics nor rhythm nor anything other genres argue about, you don't care how the "artist" got the sounds.

imtringued 3y ago

If that is true, then most of those releases are inaccessible to most listeners. For example, Spotify only adds around 100k "songs" per day and that includes remasters and mixes of an existing song, no matter how small the change is. For someone who truly wants to pick from all those ten million songs, there isn't even a service that would let them listen to the songs, let alone find them and recommend them.