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Also, most thermal paper is high in BPA/BPS. https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/bpa-and-bps-in-thermal-paper https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-wit

Also, most thermal paper is high in BPA/BPS. https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/bpa-and-bps-in-thermal-paper https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/bpa-and-bps-in-...

chaxor 3y ago
General Aviation still uses lead in their gas, despite it being shown several times in enormous nationwide studies consistently to not be necessary, and often simply requires more cost in maintenance (lead builds up on spark plugs causing a lot of issues). So environmental impact isn't high on their list already, and this BPA issue is very likely going to be completely ignored by anyone in that field.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  Yes, but the avgas lead situation is primarily a problem for the people behind/under the aircraft, not inside the aircraft.
  - chaxor 3y ago
    You still have to fill it up by touching and breathing in the fumes while pumping it into the tank, so not exactly, but you're right that it does affect others as well.
    - Scoundreller 3y ago
      dunno about the evidence, but I kinda figured post-combustion lead is more atmospheric than pre-combustion lead. Elemental lead doesn't really absorb through the skin (and gas doesn't evaporate too well at low temperatures) as far as I know.
      - hexaga 3y ago
        Lead added to fuel is in the form of an organic compound, so I'd expect the opposite effect. Obviously there's more distribution post combustion, but from a bio-availability standpoint spraying tetraethyl lead around in equivalent quantities would be a much more severe problem. Naively (without looking at data for concentrations in various environments), I could buy that people regularly handling / being around leaded aviation fuel are worse off than those breathing the (dilute) exhaust products.
    - btgeekboy 3y ago
      I realize this is an anecdote, not data, but after flying my own plane for 5 years and getting >500 hours of flight time, plus soldering off and on for 30 years with leaded solder, my lead levels were fine at my last physical. I don’t drink avgas or anything, but don’t take precautions other than attempting to avoid getting it on bare skin.
      - bombcar 3y ago
        We got one of them fancy lads what drinks the jet A, boys. Thinks the 100LL ain’t good enough, no doubt! :)
  - simne 3y ago
    From first look, yes, and for more or less modern engines, which really don't need lead. But for planes, normal age more than 20 years, even exist workhorses with 70 years. They have very old engine technologies, some literally spread gas on ground (use lead in it to lubricate valves, which are outside, like on old star engines). So even when you walking where such plane was, you will gather some lead.
- mickdeek86 3y ago
  Guessing parent was referring to the practice of heating BPA-laden paper in the near vicinity of commercial food-prep
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Yes the problem is recertification. This is why GA also still uses engines developed in the 50s with associated tech.
  - konschubert 3y ago
    We are losing out on so much.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      We are yes... Turbodiesel seems to be the answer even though a rebuild is not possible so they need a replacement very often :( On the other hand the unleaded gas engines like Rotax seem to be super reliable in the ultralight category, they are just not certified for real GA. I would imagine that slightly scaled up they could be a real workhorse. Or perhaps a really small turboprop. I've seen really tiny jets so why not stick a prop on it (because jets are too inefficient at low altitudes). Might help with noise too. There's so much innovation we could be taking advantage of :'( But we're still using engines designed in the 50s with lead (replacement) and manual choke/mixture that cars have deprecated 30 years ago.
est31 3y ago
Banned in EU since 2020: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/2235/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/2235/oj The first few months of 2020 were quite busy: they gave us blue receipts, covid, and brexit.
hereonout2 3y ago
I remember this being discussed on HN before. It felt a bit like "till receipts are killing us" which in the context of someone flying a 40 year old plane with noted defects might not be a primary concern. I wanted to buy a thermal printer myself but couldn't find a definitive answer or evidence of the BPA part being a risk. I got one that uses BPS instead - other papers also raised concerns about this, but again I couldn't find direct evidence of health issues associated with the handling of till receipts. I decided as the receipt printer will be used infrequently and I have been handling till receipts for the last 4 decades I wouldn't worry about it. BPA is also present in food cans and plastic bottles - the link you sent states the concentrations are higher in receipts - but at the same time I don't intend on eating the receipts or rubbing them into my skin. Generally I'm quite cautious about chemicals in everyday life, I try and reduce the amount in our house using natural products for cleaning for example. At the same time we're constantly surrounded by toxins so I often find myself having to do this sort of rationalisation to avoid worrying about seemingly everything all the time.
teamonkey 3y ago
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of this and was just about to buy one of those super cheap thermal printers you find on AliExpress. That’s less junk filling up my house.

Also, most thermal paper is high in BPA/BPS. https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/bpa-and-bps-in-thermal-paper https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/bpa-and-bps-in-...

chaxor 3y ago

General Aviation still uses lead in their gas, despite it being shown several times in enormous nationwide studies consistently to not be necessary, and often simply requires more cost in maintenance (lead builds up on spark plugs causing a lot of issues). So environmental impact isn't high on their list already, and this BPA issue is very likely going to be completely ignored by anyone in that field.

Scoundreller 3y ago
Yes, but the avgas lead situation is primarily a problem for the people behind/under the aircraft, not inside the aircraft.
- chaxor 3y ago
  You still have to fill it up by touching and breathing in the fumes while pumping it into the tank, so not exactly, but you're right that it does affect others as well.
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    dunno about the evidence, but I kinda figured post-combustion lead is more atmospheric than pre-combustion lead. Elemental lead doesn't really absorb through the skin (and gas doesn't evaporate too well at low temperatures) as far as I know.
    - hexaga 3y ago
      Lead added to fuel is in the form of an organic compound, so I'd expect the opposite effect. Obviously there's more distribution post combustion, but from a bio-availability standpoint spraying tetraethyl lead around in equivalent quantities would be a much more severe problem. Naively (without looking at data for concentrations in various environments), I could buy that people regularly handling / being around leaded aviation fuel are worse off than those breathing the (dilute) exhaust products.
  - btgeekboy 3y ago
    I realize this is an anecdote, not data, but after flying my own plane for 5 years and getting >500 hours of flight time, plus soldering off and on for 30 years with leaded solder, my lead levels were fine at my last physical. I don’t drink avgas or anything, but don’t take precautions other than attempting to avoid getting it on bare skin.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      We got one of them fancy lads what drinks the jet A, boys. Thinks the 100LL ain’t good enough, no doubt! :)
- simne 3y ago
  From first look, yes, and for more or less modern engines, which really don't need lead. But for planes, normal age more than 20 years, even exist workhorses with 70 years. They have very old engine technologies, some literally spread gas on ground (use lead in it to lubricate valves, which are outside, like on old star engines). So even when you walking where such plane was, you will gather some lead.
mickdeek86 3y ago
Guessing parent was referring to the practice of heating BPA-laden paper in the near vicinity of commercial food-prep
wkat4242 3y ago
Yes the problem is recertification. This is why GA also still uses engines developed in the 50s with associated tech.
- konschubert 3y ago
  We are losing out on so much.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    We are yes... Turbodiesel seems to be the answer even though a rebuild is not possible so they need a replacement very often :( On the other hand the unleaded gas engines like Rotax seem to be super reliable in the ultralight category, they are just not certified for real GA. I would imagine that slightly scaled up they could be a real workhorse. Or perhaps a really small turboprop. I've seen really tiny jets so why not stick a prop on it (because jets are too inefficient at low altitudes). Might help with noise too. There's so much innovation we could be taking advantage of :'( But we're still using engines designed in the 50s with lead (replacement) and manual choke/mixture that cars have deprecated 30 years ago.

est31 3y ago

Banned in EU since 2020: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/2235/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/2235/oj The first few months of 2020 were quite busy: they gave us blue receipts, covid, and brexit.

hereonout2 3y ago

I remember this being discussed on HN before. It felt a bit like "till receipts are killing us" which in the context of someone flying a 40 year old plane with noted defects might not be a primary concern. I wanted to buy a thermal printer myself but couldn't find a definitive answer or evidence of the BPA part being a risk. I got one that uses BPS instead - other papers also raised concerns about this, but again I couldn't find direct evidence of health issues associated with the handling of till receipts. I decided as the receipt printer will be used infrequently and I have been handling till receipts for the last 4 decades I wouldn't worry about it. BPA is also present in food cans and plastic bottles - the link you sent states the concentrations are higher in receipts - but at the same time I don't intend on eating the receipts or rubbing them into my skin. Generally I'm quite cautious about chemicals in everyday life, I try and reduce the amount in our house using natural products for cleaning for example. At the same time we're constantly surrounded by toxins so I often find myself having to do this sort of rationalisation to avoid worrying about seemingly everything all the time.

teamonkey 3y ago

Thanks, I wasn’t aware of this and was just about to buy one of those super cheap thermal printers you find on AliExpress. That’s less junk filling up my house.