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With all these once in a 100 year events happening in the past decade it makes you rethink just how chaotic the 1910s-1930s were.

nonethewiser 3y ago
Yeah climate change was really bad back then
- macinjosh 3y ago
  September 28–October 1, 1932: The remnants of a hurricane brought four days of rain. Flash floods killed 15 people I mean, shit happens? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_hurricanes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_hurricanes
  - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
    That was particularly bad for a few reasons 1. There wasn't any weather station in the areas so people didn't know the storm was coming. 2. The LA area didn't have nearly as much of the US army corp of engineers' flood control systems it has today. LA nowadays has an incredibly robust flood control system. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being a bad thunderstorm and mostly a nothing burger.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      Forecasting can make a huge difference. When a hurricane practically wiped Galveston off the map in 1900, US weather forecasting capabilities were extremely limited. [1] On a much smaller scale, there was the Blizzard of '78 which basically shut down Boston for a week and stuck many drivers on Route 128 from which they had to be laboriously evacuated. Quite a few people were stuck in their offices for a week--all in part because the storm pretty much caught everyone by surprise.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_United_States_blizzard_of_1978 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_United_States_bli...
    - Retric 3y ago
      Mudslides are upstream of flood control systems and likely the biggest threat. Similarly local flooding can cause a great deal of damage without being part of a stream system. “Remnants of” Hurricane Ida killed 44 people in the NYC area in 2021, this is expected to still qualify as a tropical storm when it makes landfall.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    1939, when there was a tropical storm track that actually ran through Southern California, is probably a better comparator (but, both general and, because of forecasting, specific preparedness should be much better this time – the existence of a Southern California forecast office, after all, was a direct response to that storm.) Track looks much farther inland: the 1939 storm hit Long Beach, the track for this is predicted to run over what looks like about the Imperial Valley, and up north toward (and potentially still with tropical storm winds into parts of) Nevada. Less populated areas directly in the track, but pretty much the whole width of Southern California is potentially going to get tropical storm strength winds, as well as whatever rains this brings, which are the real problem. The flash flood risk maps are…quite extensive. [0] https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_ep4+shtml/204534.shtml?ero#contents https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_ep4+shtml/204534.s...
xvedejas 3y ago
When you're rolling thousands of dice on phenomena that only happen once every hundred years, you'll get a lot of hits each decade.
- 7e 3y ago
  When the planet is this hot, the dice are loaded.
  - snapplebobapple 3y ago
    Probably more that observation and promotion is 1000x better than 100 years vs planet warming. 100 years ago i would have no idea any of these things happened because they didn't directly affect me and the threshold for reporting it outside the affected area was dramatically higher due to cost constraints.
    - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
      It's both. The answer is both. These storms are becoming more frequent and more powerful, and the public is more aware of them.
      - snapplebobapple 3y ago
        That's usually what "probably more that..." means. The post I was responding to proposed one reason and I responded with the correct answer that it is probably more that reporting is quite a lot better now. If I was negating their answer I would have said "No, that is wrong, this is why...." Even in the last 40 years my answer is correct because people's exposure to this has increased leaps and bounds faster due to reporting than it has due to actual events happening. Hell, even in the 30 or so years I personally remember this is true. My local climate has barely changed while my exposure to news about climate disasters has exploded.
      - oceanplexian 3y ago
        I feel like the science behind West Coast weather phenomena is dubious, if only because the West Coast US has basically no historical record. There probably were a number of extreme weather events that hit CA before the 19th century. In fact if you delve into it, there are a number of legends passed down from the indigenous peoples describing huge fires and unbelievable rain storms that flooded the whole of the central valley. 40M of people now live in a place where we have literally no idea what kind of weird one-off weather events hit every 100-200 years.
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Madmallard 3y ago
we've had several tropical storms in the last few decades. This is media overhype and climate scaring. I learned how to ride my bike as a child during tropical storm nora.

nonethewiser 3y ago

Yeah climate change was really bad back then

macinjosh 3y ago
September 28–October 1, 1932: The remnants of a hurricane brought four days of rain. Flash floods killed 15 people I mean, shit happens? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_hurricanes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_hurricanes
- freitzkriesler2 3y ago
  That was particularly bad for a few reasons 1. There wasn't any weather station in the areas so people didn't know the storm was coming. 2. The LA area didn't have nearly as much of the US army corp of engineers' flood control systems it has today. LA nowadays has an incredibly robust flood control system. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being a bad thunderstorm and mostly a nothing burger.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    Forecasting can make a huge difference. When a hurricane practically wiped Galveston off the map in 1900, US weather forecasting capabilities were extremely limited. [1] On a much smaller scale, there was the Blizzard of '78 which basically shut down Boston for a week and stuck many drivers on Route 128 from which they had to be laboriously evacuated. Quite a few people were stuck in their offices for a week--all in part because the storm pretty much caught everyone by surprise.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_United_States_blizzard_of_1978 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_United_States_bli...
  - Retric 3y ago
    Mudslides are upstream of flood control systems and likely the biggest threat. Similarly local flooding can cause a great deal of damage without being part of a stream system. “Remnants of” Hurricane Ida killed 44 people in the NYC area in 2021, this is expected to still qualify as a tropical storm when it makes landfall.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  1939, when there was a tropical storm track that actually ran through Southern California, is probably a better comparator (but, both general and, because of forecasting, specific preparedness should be much better this time – the existence of a Southern California forecast office, after all, was a direct response to that storm.) Track looks much farther inland: the 1939 storm hit Long Beach, the track for this is predicted to run over what looks like about the Imperial Valley, and up north toward (and potentially still with tropical storm winds into parts of) Nevada. Less populated areas directly in the track, but pretty much the whole width of Southern California is potentially going to get tropical storm strength winds, as well as whatever rains this brings, which are the real problem. The flash flood risk maps are…quite extensive. [0] https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_ep4+shtml/204534.shtml?ero#contents https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_ep4+shtml/204534.s...

xvedejas 3y ago

When you're rolling thousands of dice on phenomena that only happen once every hundred years, you'll get a lot of hits each decade.

7e 3y ago
When the planet is this hot, the dice are loaded.
- snapplebobapple 3y ago
  Probably more that observation and promotion is 1000x better than 100 years vs planet warming. 100 years ago i would have no idea any of these things happened because they didn't directly affect me and the threshold for reporting it outside the affected area was dramatically higher due to cost constraints.
  - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
    It's both. The answer is both. These storms are becoming more frequent and more powerful, and the public is more aware of them.
    - snapplebobapple 3y ago
      That's usually what "probably more that..." means. The post I was responding to proposed one reason and I responded with the correct answer that it is probably more that reporting is quite a lot better now. If I was negating their answer I would have said "No, that is wrong, this is why...." Even in the last 40 years my answer is correct because people's exposure to this has increased leaps and bounds faster due to reporting than it has due to actual events happening. Hell, even in the 30 or so years I personally remember this is true. My local climate has barely changed while my exposure to news about climate disasters has exploded.
    - oceanplexian 3y ago
      I feel like the science behind West Coast weather phenomena is dubious, if only because the West Coast US has basically no historical record. There probably were a number of extreme weather events that hit CA before the 19th century. In fact if you delve into it, there are a number of legends passed down from the indigenous peoples describing huge fires and unbelievable rain storms that flooded the whole of the central valley. 40M of people now live in a place where we have literally no idea what kind of weird one-off weather events hit every 100-200 years.

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Madmallard 3y ago

we've had several tropical storms in the last few decades. This is media overhype and climate scaring. I learned how to ride my bike as a child during tropical storm nora.