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They had a head-start on the tech, and for quite a while that meant the hype had some reality backing it. Also, Musk wasn't quite so obviously pungent a few ye

They had a head-start on the tech, and for quite a while that meant the hype had some reality backing it. Also, Musk wasn't quite so obviously pungent a few years ago.

uxp8u61q 3y ago
Did they have a head start on the tech, really? To me it seems like all they did well was the branding.
- Gud 3y ago
  Yes, Tesla were way ahead of the curve. Only BYD came close.
psunavy03 3y ago
Back in the day Steve Jobs was a complete asshole, too. Doesn't make it right, and both of them would have done better if they hadn't been. But you can be a complete jerk and still move products. They just have to be good products.
- demondemidi 3y ago
  I don't think you can compare the degree of vileness between Musk and Jobs. They both were notorious for abusing employees, and living in reality bubbles (except one company's value is real and the others is over-inflated stock price). The stories of jobs were focused on him demanding perfection, versus Musk rage-firing people on a whim. Musk wins the race to the bottom by orders of magnitude. Ex.: Twitter existed when Jobs was around and Jobs never turned into an cringey right-wing edgelord that stoked cultural divisions by aiding and amplifying the message of the worst people in society.
  - Gud 3y ago
    On the other hand, Jobs would buy a new Mercedes every week just so he could park on the handicap spot closest to the entrance of the Apple office building. Not sure which is worse.
    - demondemidi 3y ago
      Here is some investigation into that: https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/heres-truly-surprising-reason-why-steve-jobs-got-a-new-car-every-6-months.html https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/heres-truly-surprising-re... Not that I'm a Jobs fanboy, he's still a toxic shit messiah-complex execution-genius (all can be true), but don't just hyperbolize because it fits your narrative. Like the overblown story about Musk's emerald mine. This is the same thing: a Jobs/Musk hater pushing a heavily modified version of a decades-old story told by a third party, but based on a grain of truth. I've known rich people who love getting stuff for free even though they have money falling out their ass. It's a disease.
      - Gud 3y ago
        I don't understand your point here. It is well documented that Steve Jobs would frequently park in handicap spots, generally considered a dick move. https://www.cultofmac.com/2613/steve-jobs-still-parking-in-handicapped-spaces-the-pictures/ https://www.cultofmac.com/2613/steve-jobs-still-parking-in-h... Whether he got a new car every week or 6 months or whatever because he preferred to drive one without a license plate for aesthetic reasons(and not so he could park in a handicap spot) is irrelevant.
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        demondemidi 3y ago
        Do you always respond this way when someone calls out your whataboutism and exaggerations?
add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
He called the rescue diver guy a pedophile over 5 years ago. Time flies.

They had a head-start on the tech, and for quite a while that meant the hype had some reality backing it. Also, Musk wasn't quite so obviously pungent a few years ago.

uxp8u61q 3y ago

Did they have a head start on the tech, really? To me it seems like all they did well was the branding.

Gud 3y ago
Yes, Tesla were way ahead of the curve. Only BYD came close.

psunavy03 3y ago

Back in the day Steve Jobs was a complete asshole, too. Doesn't make it right, and both of them would have done better if they hadn't been. But you can be a complete jerk and still move products. They just have to be good products.

demondemidi 3y ago
I don't think you can compare the degree of vileness between Musk and Jobs. They both were notorious for abusing employees, and living in reality bubbles (except one company's value is real and the others is over-inflated stock price). The stories of jobs were focused on him demanding perfection, versus Musk rage-firing people on a whim. Musk wins the race to the bottom by orders of magnitude. Ex.: Twitter existed when Jobs was around and Jobs never turned into an cringey right-wing edgelord that stoked cultural divisions by aiding and amplifying the message of the worst people in society.
- Gud 3y ago
  On the other hand, Jobs would buy a new Mercedes every week just so he could park on the handicap spot closest to the entrance of the Apple office building. Not sure which is worse.
  - demondemidi 3y ago
    Here is some investigation into that: https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/heres-truly-surprising-reason-why-steve-jobs-got-a-new-car-every-6-months.html https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/heres-truly-surprising-re... Not that I'm a Jobs fanboy, he's still a toxic shit messiah-complex execution-genius (all can be true), but don't just hyperbolize because it fits your narrative. Like the overblown story about Musk's emerald mine. This is the same thing: a Jobs/Musk hater pushing a heavily modified version of a decades-old story told by a third party, but based on a grain of truth. I've known rich people who love getting stuff for free even though they have money falling out their ass. It's a disease.
    - Gud 3y ago
      I don't understand your point here. It is well documented that Steve Jobs would frequently park in handicap spots, generally considered a dick move. https://www.cultofmac.com/2613/steve-jobs-still-parking-in-handicapped-spaces-the-pictures/ https://www.cultofmac.com/2613/steve-jobs-still-parking-in-h... Whether he got a new car every week or 6 months or whatever because he preferred to drive one without a license plate for aesthetic reasons(and not so he could park in a handicap spot) is irrelevant.
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      - demondemidi 3y ago
        Do you always respond this way when someone calls out your whataboutism and exaggerations?

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago

He called the rescue diver guy a pedophile over 5 years ago. Time flies.