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Here is a human that drove into wet concrete: https://www.wlwt.com/article/car-drives-through-wet-concrete-ohio/44075210 https://www.wlwt.com/article/car-drives

• 7e 3y ago
  Do terrible drivers drive as much as Cruise does? Terrible drivers at least eventually get better through practice. Having 100 poorer than average driving autonomous cars in the streets driving around 24x7 is a net worsening. Autonomous cars improve more slowly than humans do.
  • yazaddaruvala 3y ago
    The myth about good vs bad drivers has long been out to bed. All drivers are better than average drivers. The problem for all humans is alcohol, sleep deprivation, stress, phones, coffee, makeup, shaving, food, etc. Everyone, including you, has read at least one text while driving. Sleep deprived actors by definition cannot correctly judge their ability to be sleep deprived. None of us are immune to these realities. The only way safely (with data) testing self-driving robots is “net worsening” for humanity is if you aren’t taking a long term view.
    • Dylan16807 3y ago
      > Sleep deprived actors by definition cannot correctly judge their ability to be sleep deprived. What is that supposed to mean? Especially 'by definition'?? Your body gives you plenty of feedback for sleep deprivation.
      • yazaddaruvala 3y ago
        Sleep deprivation causes a reduction in ability to reason. Similar to being drunk. A drunk person can also feel drunk, but “how drunk is too drunk?” Similarly “how sleep deprived is too deprived?” The answer is, at a minimum, that a second “sober” party make that judgement.
        • Dylan16807 3y ago
          "If you can feel it, you're too drunk" is the answer these days, so I don't think even that one is true anymore. And as far as I'm aware it's a good bit easier to tell how sleep deprived you are than how drunk, am I wrong on that? I think I understand your original post better now, but I disagree with how high of a bar you're setting for "correctly". "Am I sleep deprived?" is not a question that needs precise measurement.
    • gizmondo 3y ago
      > Everyone, including you, has read at least one text while driving. No.
      • SanderNL 3y ago
        Yes. You are just in denial.
        • gensym 3y ago
          Nope. Believe it or not, some of us put our phones away when we drive. Mine is either in my hip pocket or center console. I couldn’t read a text while driving even if I wanted to. Driving is one of two things I regularly do in which a moment’s inattention could cost someone’s life (belaying climbers is the other). I take both very seriously. I’ve seen brains spilled out on the roadway by someone who didn’t, and I’ll never forget that.
        • serf 3y ago
          Absolutely ridiculous. I have not and will not touch my phone while driving, and I obnoxiously ridicule those close to me that choose to do so near me. It sounds like YOU'RE in denial and trying to convince yourself that it's absolutely unquestionably ubiquitous -- it's not, and it's a danger to yourself and even to those others on the road that made better choices.
          • SanderNL 3y ago
            You must be fun at parties. It was in jest. I know that’s not-done around here, but I must admit it makes the eventual slip up just slightly more delicious.
        • bobbylarrybobby 3y ago
          You are in denial. Plenty of people understand the weight of sitting behind the wheel and have the self control to devote the attention that driving deserves. If you don't have the self control, you should admit it and try to better yourself. But don't try to pretend that no human has surpassed you at the task of driving without glancing at a phone. Many have.
    • jncfhnb 3y ago
      Yeah, doubt. The idiots weaving through highway traffic at 20mph faster than the flow of traffic begs to differ.
  • shwaj 3y ago
    Your point about terrible drivers getting better through practice doesn’t make much sense to me: - autonomous cars are also getting better with practice - we’re alway producing new batches of terrible drivers. This is unlike autonomous cars, where all cars within a particular fleet (Waymo, Cruise) are monotonically becoming better drivers
    • rightbyte 3y ago
      Why would they get monotonically better? Is that your experience with modern best practice software development? Where companies push user hostile features and bugs automatically without user interaction. All Waymo cars could simultaneously degrade due to an update (or hack). Imagine if all them did full left at the same time.
      • Gud 3y ago
        Your objections make little sense. Waymo is not working on a mobile phone widget but on advanced process control software. And yes, this class of software is getting increasingly better. Of course software bugs will be introduced, and later rectified. We live in an imperfect world.
  • mindslight 3y ago
    > Terrible drivers at least eventually get better through practice Yeah by the second or third time people generally learn to keep the throttle up so the wheels don't sink down into the wet concrete.
  • creer 3y ago
    The statistics "per mile" have been out for a long time. At least for Waymo they are extremely good. What difference does it make that any specific car drives around 24x7? Quick look up of current numbers - without double checking whether it's over the life of the program, or just the latest year, or what: Waymo one crash per 1.26 million miles American humans overall one per 484,000 miles or 552,983 miles depending on the yr or something. Younger drivers, something like 3 times the average. And that's when Waymo reports automatically while many human collisions don't need reporting. > Autonomous cars improve more slowly than humans do They can get buggy software updates and maps but otherwise I'll bet on the software.
• paul7986 3y ago
  Yes and the driver probably was impaired and fined/charged and possibly lost their license. So with that in mind Cruise's hive mind controls all it's cars and they need to lose their license immediately before it does what Uber's not ready for prime time car did and killed a pedesterian!
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• ChatGTP 3y ago
  Yeah but humans are just LLMs / meat bags
• dominojab 3y ago
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