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It's because they want us to eat slop while the real meat is then sold to the rich and shipped out of the country for export to nations where their income is wo

It's because they want us to eat slop while the real meat is then sold to the rich and shipped out of the country for export to nations where their income is worth more than ours. Same goes for this new obsession with roach milk and bug eating. They want to turn the real thing into luxuries and exports while the working poor eat bugs and lab grown slop. The claim about being good for the environment is a red herring used to get a certain segment of the population excited for it. Make no mistake, factory farming will continue to exist because the Uber rich will happily pay for it both domestic and abroad.

ajmurmann 3y ago
What benefit do those "Uber rich" have from poor people eating "slop"? Why can the "real thing" not be exported right now?
- imbusy111 3y ago
  Also, who is "they", and are "they" hiring?
  - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
    They would be Monsanto, Tyson foods, any Argo business, and pretty any company in this list https://indiebio.co/companies/# https://indiebio.co/companies/# Select food and Ag.
    - Daishiman 3y ago
      Those companies make gigantic amounts of money selling animal feed. They have no conspiratorial desires except to make money. If there's a market for animal-sourced protein they'll go there; if there's a market for synthetic meats likewise.
- freitzkriesler2 3y ago
  It's how "innovation" works. You get a new supposedly "cheaper" product that's like the original thing but cheaper because of questionable advances in either science or engineering. That cheaper product isn't actually better in most cases, it's filled with poorer quality magerials and lab engineered chemicals. The working poor then buy it because it looks like the original product. Except it isn't. Its filled with questionable chemicals and industrial processes that have an unknown effect in the human body. See the replacement of lard for seed oils and how the obesity epidemic came from that. Beef lard which was once a cheap cooking oil is now an expensive premium product. What ends up happening then is the original product becomes a premium product and is priced accordingly. Since America doesn't make anything, the only thing we export in significant quantities are food stuffs, especially meat. That meat gets sent abroad to places like China where they make more money than you and are able to afford the original product you are now priced out of. So you end up eating grasshoppers and lab grown mystery slop.
  - ajmurmann 3y ago
    All these advances you describe have made food vastly more affordable to everyone. Not that long ago millions of Americans died of pellagra for a reason. > "Since America doesn't make anything" The top exports of United States are Refined Petroleum ($83.3B), Petroleum Gas ($70.9B), Crude Petroleum ($67.6B), Cars ($55.4B), and Integrated Circuits ($51.3B) sauce: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/usa#latest-data https://oec.world/en/profile/country/usa#latest-data >"That meat gets sent abroad to places like China where they make more money than you and are able to afford the original product you are now priced out of." Why would the original product get more expensive if people like it and supply continues? There is now increased supply in comparable products which brings prices down. Also, China is a quite poor country. The median income is $4,500.
    - azmarks 3y ago
      People died of Pellagra for political and racism reasons. See: https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2021/09/03/hunger-in-the-heart-of-empire-pellagra-in-the-united-states/ https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2021/09/03/hunger-in-the...
aeyes 3y ago
Hydroponic salads would be the counter-example which you can already buy today. I prefer them because I get much more consistent quality, less risk of contamination, less pesticides (think antibiotics in the case of meat), less water and soil use. I don't care what the 1% do, never did. If it tastes good and if the texture is good I don't mind eating lab grown food. With meat we aren't quite there yet.
- ajmurmann 3y ago
  The availability of hydroponicly grown salads also should have lowered the price of conventionally grown salad, since there is now more supply of salads in general.
  - imbusy111 3y ago
    Or it would kill the conventionally grown salad industry, cause it cannot compete. It is extremely labor intensive already. Not that I care that much, if I eat salad from one process or the other.
    - ajmurmann 3y ago
      true, if consumers decide it's not worth the extra cost. Either way, a win.
ch4s3 3y ago
> shipped out of the country for export to nations where their income is worth more than ours. I just don't think Switzerland, Luxembourg, and Singapore eat that much meat.
- freitzkriesler2 3y ago
  My answer was poor but this is what you want https://beef2live.com/story-beef-exports-country-year-date-0-109756#:~:text=8%25%20in%202023-,The%20United%20States%20has%20exported%20779.1%20million%20pounds%20of%20beef,countries%20so%20far%20in%202023 https://beef2live.com/story-beef-exports-country-year-date-0.... China hlused to be number 1 but they've been reducing their meat purchases since the late 2010s for obvious reasons.
civilitty 3y ago
The uber rich don't eat factory farmed crap. It's all organic farm to table with Japanese cows hand massaged by their human concubines.

ajmurmann 3y ago

What benefit do those "Uber rich" have from poor people eating "slop"? Why can the "real thing" not be exported right now?

imbusy111 3y ago
Also, who is "they", and are "they" hiring?
- freitzkriesler2 3y ago
  They would be Monsanto, Tyson foods, any Argo business, and pretty any company in this list https://indiebio.co/companies/# https://indiebio.co/companies/# Select food and Ag.
  - Daishiman 3y ago
    Those companies make gigantic amounts of money selling animal feed. They have no conspiratorial desires except to make money. If there's a market for animal-sourced protein they'll go there; if there's a market for synthetic meats likewise.
freitzkriesler2 3y ago
It's how "innovation" works. You get a new supposedly "cheaper" product that's like the original thing but cheaper because of questionable advances in either science or engineering. That cheaper product isn't actually better in most cases, it's filled with poorer quality magerials and lab engineered chemicals. The working poor then buy it because it looks like the original product. Except it isn't. Its filled with questionable chemicals and industrial processes that have an unknown effect in the human body. See the replacement of lard for seed oils and how the obesity epidemic came from that. Beef lard which was once a cheap cooking oil is now an expensive premium product. What ends up happening then is the original product becomes a premium product and is priced accordingly. Since America doesn't make anything, the only thing we export in significant quantities are food stuffs, especially meat. That meat gets sent abroad to places like China where they make more money than you and are able to afford the original product you are now priced out of. So you end up eating grasshoppers and lab grown mystery slop.
- ajmurmann 3y ago
  All these advances you describe have made food vastly more affordable to everyone. Not that long ago millions of Americans died of pellagra for a reason. > "Since America doesn't make anything" The top exports of United States are Refined Petroleum ($83.3B), Petroleum Gas ($70.9B), Crude Petroleum ($67.6B), Cars ($55.4B), and Integrated Circuits ($51.3B) sauce: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/usa#latest-data https://oec.world/en/profile/country/usa#latest-data >"That meat gets sent abroad to places like China where they make more money than you and are able to afford the original product you are now priced out of." Why would the original product get more expensive if people like it and supply continues? There is now increased supply in comparable products which brings prices down. Also, China is a quite poor country. The median income is $4,500.
  - azmarks 3y ago
    People died of Pellagra for political and racism reasons. See: https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2021/09/03/hunger-in-the-heart-of-empire-pellagra-in-the-united-states/ https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2021/09/03/hunger-in-the...

aeyes 3y ago

Hydroponic salads would be the counter-example which you can already buy today. I prefer them because I get much more consistent quality, less risk of contamination, less pesticides (think antibiotics in the case of meat), less water and soil use. I don't care what the 1% do, never did. If it tastes good and if the texture is good I don't mind eating lab grown food. With meat we aren't quite there yet.

ajmurmann 3y ago
The availability of hydroponicly grown salads also should have lowered the price of conventionally grown salad, since there is now more supply of salads in general.
- imbusy111 3y ago
  Or it would kill the conventionally grown salad industry, cause it cannot compete. It is extremely labor intensive already. Not that I care that much, if I eat salad from one process or the other.
  - ajmurmann 3y ago
    true, if consumers decide it's not worth the extra cost. Either way, a win.

ch4s3 3y ago

> shipped out of the country for export to nations where their income is worth more than ours. I just don't think Switzerland, Luxembourg, and Singapore eat that much meat.

freitzkriesler2 3y ago
My answer was poor but this is what you want https://beef2live.com/story-beef-exports-country-year-date-0-109756#:~:text=8%25%20in%202023-,The%20United%20States%20has%20exported%20779.1%20million%20pounds%20of%20beef,countries%20so%20far%20in%202023 https://beef2live.com/story-beef-exports-country-year-date-0.... China hlused to be number 1 but they've been reducing their meat purchases since the late 2010s for obvious reasons.

civilitty 3y ago

The uber rich don't eat factory farmed crap. It's all organic farm to table with Japanese cows hand massaged by their human concubines.