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Worldcoin ignored initial order to stop iris scans in Kenya, records show
- mcpackieh 3y agoWorldcoin went to Kenya because they thought they'd be above the law. Sam Altman should be extradited to Kenya to face justice.
- wincy 3y agoI mean he effectively is above Kenyan law, there is a zero percent chance the United States is going to extradite Sam Altman to Kenya.
- wslh 3y agoTo be precise, he cannot visit Kenya or any other country with strong ties and extradition agreements with Kenya. I don't know anything about US and Kenya agreements.
- some_random 3y agoI think it's more of a tongue in cheek joke about the fact the US will undoubtedly refuse to extradite until legal proceedings against him in the US (and his probable prison sentence) concludes.
- jacquesm 3y agoAt least he won't have to be afraid of Kenyan cruise missiles or rockets. But it may well end up in the Hague because of the callous way that this has been done and the amount of sympathy it has gathered all over the world and that would curb Altman's ability to travel considerably.
- some_random 3y agoHe's going to end up in a US prison for most of his life, he's not going to be doing any traveling. And what's this about cruise missiles?
- jacquesm 3y agoI think you have your parties muddled up.
- ChadNauseam 3y agoAre you sure you're not thinking of Sam Bankman-Fried?
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- flangola7 3y agoWhile I hope the US will treat AI development with that level of tenacity, I wouldn't count on it
- yowzadave 3y agoDid I miss something? Is Sam Altman in actual legal jeopardy? You're not confusing him with Sam Bankman-Fried?
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- anigbrowl 3y agoYou're mixing him up with Sam Bankman-Fried, no?
- flangola7 3y agoHow can you have a trial without a defendant there?
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoKenya and the U.S. have had an extradition agreement since 1935 [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extrad...
- reaperducer 3y agoSam Altman should be extradited to Kenya to face justice. What's the justice system like in Kenya these days? I know nothing of law enforcement in Kenya, but there are a number of countries that would be happy to give someone like him safe harbor.
- mola 3y agoI don't know if a person that actively tries to dinner law making deserve a just justice system
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- nroets 3y agoIs it "white savior complex" or is it a belief in laissez faire capitalist ideas ?
- isk517 3y agoI think 'Tony Stark complex' would be more appropriate. Feels like these people watched Ironman 2 and imagine themselves in Tony's shoes as he address congress.
- progrus 3y agoMakes him very easy to manipulate, sadly.
- goodbyesf 3y agoNo such thing as white savior complex. White savior complex is mislabeled white exploitation complex. Nobody is a saint. Everyone acts in accordance to their own selfish interests. Even white people. Altman is doing this not to save or benefit kenyans but for his own selfish interests.
- oefrha 3y agoI don’t think exploiting lax regulation, ineffective law enforcement, and financial hardship to scoop up biometric data for cheap has anything to do with “savior”.
- jacquesm 3y agoThat's just standard techbro ops 101.
- banannaise 3y agoThey tend to justify it, both themselves and to the world, by claiming the product is here lift people in the global south out of poverty and bring them into the modern world. That's textbook white saviorism. That's how they handwave away the fact that their actual goal is exploiting lax regulation, ineffective law enforcement, and financial hardship to scoop up biometric data for cheap.
- jacquesm 3y agoThe law is not for tech bros, they just see it as a signpost that you can pretend not to have read or be aware of. It invariably ends badly in the long run and in the short term everybody else suffers. Highly annoying.
- JohnFen 3y ago> It invariably ends badly in the long run Not invariably, sadly. Uber, for example, didn't seem to be overly hurt by their lawbreaking.
- jacquesm 3y agoYes, that's a good one, they might just squeak by.
- fallingknife 3y agoI'm very happy that Uber broke the law that protected the cab cartel. Now I can conveniently get a ride wherever I want and never have to deal with a sleazy incompetent cab company ever again. When I travel to other countries I never have to deal with their shitty taxi scams.
- ska 3y agoIt certainly seemed that way at first, now I'm not convinced. They seem to be recapitulating most or all of the bad behaviors. And more expensive often enough I have to check, used to just assume it would be comparable or better unless obvious reason for shortage.
- monetus 3y agoCan you get prices ahead of time with the taxis in your area?
- ska 3y agoDepends on the area, but qualified yes - many local cab companies now have apps (in response to uber) and some of those will give decently accurate quotes. In some places e.g. airport fares are fixed rate anyway, so you can just check.
- kstrauser 3y agoI’m having a hard time not being snarky and sarcastic about this. Worldcoin is a solution to no particular problem, designed to replace government functions with their own profit-driven replacements. I’m not the slightest surprised they’re ignoring those same governments telling them not to do something.
- lincolnq 3y ago> "solution to no particular problem" I deeply disagree. While Worldcoin's execution seems questionable at best, the idea seems like a solution to a problem that we (society) definitely have, namely the real-people problem. Worldcoin or something like it, if properly implemented, makes it possible to distinguish between real people and bots. This is a real problem that we have today, is getting rapidly worse, and till now this problem has only been solved in shitty ways by governments.
- tcgv 3y agoWorldcoin is just a centralized / privately owned database of iris scans and issued user IDs that integrates with the blockchain. > solution to a problem that we (society) definitely have, namely the real-people problem > till now this problem has only been solved in shitty ways by governments The solution Worldcoin provides is "trust us for knowing who is real-people". I fail to see how that's better than the way governments solve the problem.
- nroets 3y agoGovernments regularly do terrible things in the banking system: Printing money, capital controls and mind boggling amount of red tape. With this red tape they can punish anyone who disagrees with them.
- mrguyorama 3y agoOh yeah, all that abhorrent red tape like "If you are a bank you have to prove you aren't doing funny things with people's money" and "if you provide financial services you need to make an honest effort to not fund like, actual terrorists, or north korea" and "We thought we learned our lesson about unregulated stocks back when it caused the great depression"
- malthaus 3y agoThere is zero chance Worldcoin will not be shut down in any country the second they reach significant volume above what they get now with the PR hype and free money customer attraction scheme with a touch of anachronistic crypto hype. It's so terribly out of touch with the real world in a way not even the most die hard crypto bro's could dream up a dystopian scenario where this would fly. And what's with that terribly photoshopped picture of the 2; as if to double down on how fake the motives behind this scheme are.
- DigiDigiorno 3y agoThe average crypto bro might be more against iris scanning than the general population.
- malthaus 3y agofor every 1 dreamy utopian hacker crypto bro you have 99 running a get rich quick scheme, if they can pump and dump the worldcoin, they will, even if it would include ripping the eyeballs off the customers
- toenail 3y agoWhat about the crypto gals?
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- DigiDigiorno 3y agoThose crypto gals over there? total bros
- BLanen 3y agoNo, because the average crypto bro will get tricked into thinking anything is a good idea and secure when you mention 'blockchain'.
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- karaterobot 3y agoIt's not clear to me from this article whether ignoring a demand from Kenya's ODPC was a crime. The article says nothing about it. Is it? It's conceivable that it's the equivalent of a cease and desist letter, if the ODPC has no specific authority. That would explain why a company with a lot of lawyers would just ignore it, and why it was escalated to another group as a response.
- pierat 3y agoHere in tech bro world we have so many innovations for you! Why not try our: - Imaginary scam money (in 17,382 flavors, including eyeballs)! - Expensive unregulated taxi! - Expensive unregulated hotel! - Picture of monkey (formerly valuable)! - Imaginary restaurant that serves bad food! - Expensive unregulated television! - Another picture of monkey (never valuable)! - Twitter but it sucks now! - The news but it also sucks and steals your personal information! Plus, try our greatest achievement yet: - Expensive unregulated scam concert tickets! EDIT: the real trend with Silly-Con Valley is that every major venture is an adventure in removing regulations that We (collectively) bought with 10's of thousands of lives. And these VCs come through, and seek to destroy regulation for a pound of profit, and some scraps to others. These services always start cheap since they are subsidized by VCs to buy growth and scale. It soon will change, and get worse and cost more, if not outright re-regulated out of existence.... For the same reasons why the regulation was there in the first place. There's a few companies working on true innovations. But most SV is just remixes on "deregulation and illegality as a service"
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- ChadNauseam 3y ago> - Expensive unregulated taxi! > - Expensive unregulated hotel! > - Expensive unregulated television! All of these are better than the alternative, or people wouldn't use them
- pierat 3y agoGiven that Uber's only quarter in the black was the most recent, AND most of it was from capitalized assets, well, it's just a failing business, but scaled big! It's a common trope for VC's to fund, fund, fund for that sweet hockey stick growth. And they know that it takes money to make money. So yeah, the fact that these businesses have been better is because they were subsidized by VC'e to get you as a customer. Enshittification process is already well full in effect, and will get more expensive and worse But hey, Uber cashed out for the early Ponzi investors. Probably won't pan out past this point.
- CatWChainsaw 3y agoAt this point, why do we even bother pretending to be dismayed that techbros and their vanity projects have no respect for anything? If you just assume that they're doing something harmful that enriches themselves (and I mean literally enriches) and we just haven't had a news cycle about it yet, we could save so much time giving them the benefit of the doubt and just go straight to handing out fines in the nine-digit range to make them cut their shit out.
- slim 3y agothis company is trafficking in identity. it is trying to build the ultimate human tracking system where every human's transaction is logged and tied to his biometrical properties. it's the antithesis of freedom. and the fact sam altman has no moral issues with doing this to Africans is telling. I think he's close to achieving his transition ... to a villain
- tim333 3y agoIt's not that bad really. I got scanned and they don't take any ID and you can call yourself what you want. They just basically give you a crypto wallet with some worldcoins in. It's linked to a hash of your iris scan to stop you repeating that multiple time. It's less intrusive than normal financial services and no hit to my freedom as I have no need to use the thing - it's just another option.
- gmerc 3y agoIndia shows us how to solve this. Require a legal representative in the country you can jail.