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Fantastic. I'm all for it. Not a big fan of someone being able to evade all sorts of gun laws by 3D printing their own gun. There's already far too many nutc

Fantastic. I'm all for it. Not a big fan of someone being able to evade all sorts of gun laws by 3D printing their own gun. There's already far too many nutcases who own far too many guns - allowing them to print their own guns and ammo to avoid being on some sort of watchlist is just a really slippery slope. I'm all for people owning guns, I support the 2nd amendment vigorously, but there's a reason the words "highly regulated" appears in the 2nd amendment. Sick and tired of fringe nutcases (supported by the gun lobby) saying any and all regulations are a threat to the freedoms we all enjoy as Americans. NINJA EDIT: The Federalist is a shitty extremist source.

koolba 3y ago
> Not a big fan of someone being able to evade all sorts of gun laws by 3D printing their own gun. It's been legal since the dawn of the USA to manufacture your own firearms. A criminal who is otherwise not legally able to acquire or possess a firearm is not going to care about 3D printer laws. This only impacts the law abiding. > There's already far too many nutcases who own far too many guns - allowing them to print their own guns and ammo to avoid being on some sort of watchlist is just a really slippery slope. There's no federal requirement for a "watch list" for owning a gun. There's background checks for transfers of firearms, but even those are not applicable in all cases (e.g. a father can transfer a long gun to his son in most States without any paperwork at all). Manufacturing your own ammo is legal across the entire country. There's no registration requirement or any paperwork whatsoever needed. > I'm all for people owning guns, I support the 2nd amendment vigorously, Let's be honest here, you clearly don't. > but there's a reason the words "highly regulated" appears in the 2nd amendment. The words are "well regulated" and they don't mean what you think they mean. In 18th century American English, the phrase "well regulated" means well equipped. It's saying that people should have lots of guns! > Sick and tired of fringe nutcases (supported by the gun lobby) saying any and all regulations are a threat to the freedoms we all enjoy as Americans. The problem with new firearm regulations is multi fold, but the main problems are: 1. There's plenty of existing regulations in place that are not being properly enforced. 2. The majority of new regulations are bans on cosmetic features or simply make things more inconvenient for law abiding gun owners. 3. Anything that was previously considered a "compromise" turns into a "loophole".
- weego 3y ago
  It's been legal since the dawn of the USA to manufacture your own firearms. Yeah that was conceived and written at a time where you had to hand carve and forge a single shot breech loading rifle. You can espouse history all you want, but asserting unbounded rights in the face of dramatic technological progress is not a healthy attitude towards society.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    > Yeah that was conceived and written at a time where you had to hand carve and forge a single shot breech loading rifle. At the time the Second Amendment was ratified, private individuals could, and did, own fully armed and crewed warships and field artillery pieces. > You can espouse history all you want, but asserting unbounded rights in the face of dramatic technological progress is not a healthy attitude towards society. So you're arguing that the First Amendment doesn't apply to the Internet, then?
- mikehearn 3y ago
  > A criminal who is otherwise not legally able to acquire or possess a firearm is not going to care about 3D printer laws. This only impacts the law abiding. This is kind of a blanket argument against all laws, right?
  - chmod600 3y ago
    No, it applies more to some laws than others. A law against carrying a broadsword is enforceable before the broadsword is actually used in a crime, because it's highly visible. A law against a dagger isn't easily enforceable until it's actually taken out in some violent manner. (Don't over-analyze the example it's just to show a difference in how laws work in practice as opposed to on paper.)
- elil17 3y ago
  >It's been legal since the dawn of the USA to manufacture your own firearms. Glad to see the government is finally doing something to fix this.
Jsebast24 3y ago
"Well-regulated in the 18th century tended to be something like well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined...It didn't mean 'regulation' in the sense that we use it now...It means the militia was in an effective shape to fight...In other words, it didn't mean the state was controlling the militia in a certain way, but rather that the militia was prepared to do its duty." This is from https://constitutioncenter.org/images/uploads/news/CNN_Aug_11.pdf https://constitutioncenter.org/images/uploads/news/CNN_Aug_1...
- NickC25 3y ago
  >* like well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined...It didn't mean 'regulation' in the sense that we use it now...It means the militia was in an effective shape to fight.* Ever seen the type of people that are eager to display just how proud they are to own dozens of firearms? Those people generally aren't in the required shape to effectively fight or defend their country.
- deleted 3y ago
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bpodgursky 3y ago
In the 18th century people literally owned pirate ships with cannons and hired themselves out as privateers.
- elil17 3y ago
  This was not a good thing
  - bpodgursky 3y ago
    That's irrelevant, my point is that it's ridiculous to imply that 3D-printed firearms are less "regulated" or more extreme than the original interpretation of the 2A.
- taylodl 3y ago
  If you were a pirate ship then you were illegal. Otherwise you were registered, flew the nation's flag to which you were registered, and paid your taxes for that registration. It was regulated.

koolba 3y ago

> Not a big fan of someone being able to evade all sorts of gun laws by 3D printing their own gun. It's been legal since the dawn of the USA to manufacture your own firearms. A criminal who is otherwise not legally able to acquire or possess a firearm is not going to care about 3D printer laws. This only impacts the law abiding. > There's already far too many nutcases who own far too many guns - allowing them to print their own guns and ammo to avoid being on some sort of watchlist is just a really slippery slope. There's no federal requirement for a "watch list" for owning a gun. There's background checks for transfers of firearms, but even those are not applicable in all cases (e.g. a father can transfer a long gun to his son in most States without any paperwork at all). Manufacturing your own ammo is legal across the entire country. There's no registration requirement or any paperwork whatsoever needed. > I'm all for people owning guns, I support the 2nd amendment vigorously, Let's be honest here, you clearly don't. > but there's a reason the words "highly regulated" appears in the 2nd amendment. The words are "well regulated" and they don't mean what you think they mean. In 18th century American English, the phrase "well regulated" means well equipped. It's saying that people should have lots of guns! > Sick and tired of fringe nutcases (supported by the gun lobby) saying any and all regulations are a threat to the freedoms we all enjoy as Americans. The problem with new firearm regulations is multi fold, but the main problems are: 1. There's plenty of existing regulations in place that are not being properly enforced. 2. The majority of new regulations are bans on cosmetic features or simply make things more inconvenient for law abiding gun owners. 3. Anything that was previously considered a "compromise" turns into a "loophole".

weego 3y ago
It's been legal since the dawn of the USA to manufacture your own firearms. Yeah that was conceived and written at a time where you had to hand carve and forge a single shot breech loading rifle. You can espouse history all you want, but asserting unbounded rights in the face of dramatic technological progress is not a healthy attitude towards society.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  > Yeah that was conceived and written at a time where you had to hand carve and forge a single shot breech loading rifle. At the time the Second Amendment was ratified, private individuals could, and did, own fully armed and crewed warships and field artillery pieces. > You can espouse history all you want, but asserting unbounded rights in the face of dramatic technological progress is not a healthy attitude towards society. So you're arguing that the First Amendment doesn't apply to the Internet, then?
mikehearn 3y ago
> A criminal who is otherwise not legally able to acquire or possess a firearm is not going to care about 3D printer laws. This only impacts the law abiding. This is kind of a blanket argument against all laws, right?
- chmod600 3y ago
  No, it applies more to some laws than others. A law against carrying a broadsword is enforceable before the broadsword is actually used in a crime, because it's highly visible. A law against a dagger isn't easily enforceable until it's actually taken out in some violent manner. (Don't over-analyze the example it's just to show a difference in how laws work in practice as opposed to on paper.)
elil17 3y ago
>It's been legal since the dawn of the USA to manufacture your own firearms. Glad to see the government is finally doing something to fix this.

Jsebast24 3y ago

"Well-regulated in the 18th century tended to be something like well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined...It didn't mean 'regulation' in the sense that we use it now...It means the militia was in an effective shape to fight...In other words, it didn't mean the state was controlling the militia in a certain way, but rather that the militia was prepared to do its duty." This is from https://constitutioncenter.org/images/uploads/news/CNN_Aug_11.pdf https://constitutioncenter.org/images/uploads/news/CNN_Aug_1...

NickC25 3y ago
>* like well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined...It didn't mean 'regulation' in the sense that we use it now...It means the militia was in an effective shape to fight.* Ever seen the type of people that are eager to display just how proud they are to own dozens of firearms? Those people generally aren't in the required shape to effectively fight or defend their country.
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bpodgursky 3y ago

In the 18th century people literally owned pirate ships with cannons and hired themselves out as privateers.

elil17 3y ago
This was not a good thing
- bpodgursky 3y ago
  That's irrelevant, my point is that it's ridiculous to imply that 3D-printed firearms are less "regulated" or more extreme than the original interpretation of the 2A.
taylodl 3y ago
If you were a pirate ship then you were illegal. Otherwise you were registered, flew the nation's flag to which you were registered, and paid your taxes for that registration. It was regulated.