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I get the feeling that newer generations of CAPTCHAs will no longer be trying to filter out bots from entering human-made sites, but humans from entering bot-ma

I get the feeling that newer generations of CAPTCHAs will no longer be trying to filter out bots from entering human-made sites, but humans from entering bot-made sites.

rgrieselhuber 3y ago
To be honest, it already feels like a resource denial effort. Reminds me of Paul Virilio’s description of systems that deliberately inhibit human speed.
- IggleSniggle 3y ago
  CAPTCHA is just usefully accidental punishment for evading surveillance capitalism while casually browsing the web. There are sites where getting through a CAPTCHA is literally impossible if you are using privacy controls, you just get stuck in an endless loop of CAPTCHA completion. But if you're "logged in" to the surveillance network, there's zero friction whatsoever.
  - rgrieselhuber 3y ago
    Indeed.
    - rvnx 3y ago
      Furthermore, we can easily imagine that in +/- 10 years, your device will ask you to "verify your identity" using your ID card and a selfie, and in return, you will get this juicy Web Environment Integrity token that acts like a key to unlock Captcha and pornographic websites.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  Like the ordering kiosks at McDonalds?
EGreg 3y ago
That’s not hard to do There are always things computers do way better than humans. That’s why they have been created in the first place! Anyway, what will the new CAPTCHAs consist of? If the answer is “nothing”, then that’s the age of AGIs The CAPTCHA can ask humans to do a non-trivial research task, like look up the latest news and give an opinion, or actually appear on camera etc.
- joseda-hg 3y ago
  Both of those are prone to be broken by a reasonably good AI, plus verification of either would be too computationally heavy to be cost effective (Also likely involving AI)
brandonhorst 3y ago
It's nice that we named it so forward-thinking. Not a necessarily Completely Automated Public Turing test to Keep Computers Out.
bandergirl 3y ago
That makes no sense. You just need an undocumented binary interface to keep most humans out, no need to create an HTML page and add a reverse-CAPTCHA.
- firtoz 3y ago
  But the humans keep reverse engineering our APIs and making beautiful UX on top of them
- vouaobrasil 3y ago
  I meant that in the future, most sites will be made by bots and using them will be too hard for most humans...
hinkley 3y ago
How good are bots at simulating human behavioral patterns these days? On my back burner I have a crowd-sourced data app and I keep wondering how I'm going to keep bots out. The ideas of shadow banning, throttling, or an approval queue for everything except known 'real' humans and new users that seem relatively human keeps popping up (eg, 2 approval queues for 'probably a bot' and 'probably not a bot')

I get the feeling that newer generations of CAPTCHAs will no longer be trying to filter out bots from entering human-made sites, but humans from entering bot-made sites.

rgrieselhuber 3y ago

To be honest, it already feels like a resource denial effort. Reminds me of Paul Virilio’s description of systems that deliberately inhibit human speed.

IggleSniggle 3y ago
CAPTCHA is just usefully accidental punishment for evading surveillance capitalism while casually browsing the web. There are sites where getting through a CAPTCHA is literally impossible if you are using privacy controls, you just get stuck in an endless loop of CAPTCHA completion. But if you're "logged in" to the surveillance network, there's zero friction whatsoever.
- rgrieselhuber 3y ago
  Indeed.
  - rvnx 3y ago
    Furthermore, we can easily imagine that in +/- 10 years, your device will ask you to "verify your identity" using your ID card and a selfie, and in return, you will get this juicy Web Environment Integrity token that acts like a key to unlock Captcha and pornographic websites.
rightbyte 3y ago
Like the ordering kiosks at McDonalds?

EGreg 3y ago

That’s not hard to do There are always things computers do way better than humans. That’s why they have been created in the first place! Anyway, what will the new CAPTCHAs consist of? If the answer is “nothing”, then that’s the age of AGIs The CAPTCHA can ask humans to do a non-trivial research task, like look up the latest news and give an opinion, or actually appear on camera etc.

joseda-hg 3y ago
Both of those are prone to be broken by a reasonably good AI, plus verification of either would be too computationally heavy to be cost effective (Also likely involving AI)

brandonhorst 3y ago

It's nice that we named it so forward-thinking. Not a necessarily Completely Automated Public Turing test to Keep Computers Out.

bandergirl 3y ago

That makes no sense. You just need an undocumented binary interface to keep most humans out, no need to create an HTML page and add a reverse-CAPTCHA.

firtoz 3y ago
But the humans keep reverse engineering our APIs and making beautiful UX on top of them
vouaobrasil 3y ago
I meant that in the future, most sites will be made by bots and using them will be too hard for most humans...

hinkley 3y ago

How good are bots at simulating human behavioral patterns these days? On my back burner I have a crowd-sourced data app and I keep wondering how I'm going to keep bots out. The ideas of shadow banning, throttling, or an approval queue for everything except known 'real' humans and new users that seem relatively human keeps popping up (eg, 2 approval queues for 'probably a bot' and 'probably not a bot')