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The build quality issues are what drove me to cancel my preorder. The locking down of features is what will keep me away from this company forever. It’s a sha

by xyst 3y ago

The build quality issues are what drove me to cancel my preorder. The locking down of features is what will keep me away from this company forever. It’s a shame. I was really hoping to migrate away from my ICE vehicle (now 6-7 yrs old). Going to stick with it until it becomes financially unfeasible to repair (Fortunately no major repairs yet, only scheduled maintenance and replacement of worn down parts like tires, car battery, wipers, …). I guess I shouldn’t be too eager to migrate. Especially with the advances in battery tech (“solid state” batteries from Toyota) and significantly improved range over lithium ion batteries. Just hope this trend of locking down features doesn’t become widespread by the time I need to switch

Reubend 3y ago
If your ICE is only 7 years old, it's also environmentally friendly to keep using it rather than to purchase a new electric vehicle.
- redox99 3y ago
  Really depends on how much you weigh CO2 emissions, different air pollutants, noise pollution, etc. Environmentally friendly isn't a single dimension. Furthermore it's not like he's going to dispose his older car, it's going to go to somebody else who might have an ever older, more pollutant car.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  No, probably not. An EV car is approximately 1k gallons of gas in energy to produce. Of course there are also rare earth metals. But your claim is obviously untrue at the edge, where that car could be driving 24k miles/year at 12mpg, for 30 years, and the EV is charged by renewables. That’s an extra 60,000 gallons of gasoline to account for with just the production cost of an EV.
- lcfcjs 3y ago
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- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  That’s not if you are going to junk your car rather than resell or use it for another purpose. If your car is good enough to be resold, the damage is limited unless the buyer of the used car wouldn’t have otherwise gotten a new or used car. But induced demand is a thing, if all rich people kept their cars for 10 years, the used market would be decimated and a lot more people would take public transit, so there is that.
throwthat1 3y ago
Electric cars don't make financial sense yet (just one of a few reasons not to get one)... If you live in an apartment, you might not even have a charger is another

by xyst 3y ago

Reubend 3y ago

If your ICE is only 7 years old, it's also environmentally friendly to keep using it rather than to purchase a new electric vehicle.

redox99 3y ago
Really depends on how much you weigh CO2 emissions, different air pollutants, noise pollution, etc. Environmentally friendly isn't a single dimension. Furthermore it's not like he's going to dispose his older car, it's going to go to somebody else who might have an ever older, more pollutant car.
reducesuffering 3y ago
No, probably not. An EV car is approximately 1k gallons of gas in energy to produce. Of course there are also rare earth metals. But your claim is obviously untrue at the edge, where that car could be driving 24k miles/year at 12mpg, for 30 years, and the EV is charged by renewables. That’s an extra 60,000 gallons of gasoline to account for with just the production cost of an EV.
lcfcjs 3y ago
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seanmcdirmid 3y ago
That’s not if you are going to junk your car rather than resell or use it for another purpose. If your car is good enough to be resold, the damage is limited unless the buyer of the used car wouldn’t have otherwise gotten a new or used car. But induced demand is a thing, if all rich people kept their cars for 10 years, the used market would be decimated and a lot more people would take public transit, so there is that.

throwthat1 3y ago

Electric cars don't make financial sense yet (just one of a few reasons not to get one)... If you live in an apartment, you might not even have a charger is another