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X has started reversing the throttling on some of the sites, including NYTimes'
- ergonaught 3y agoI wish people would reject this brand, as with the-company-formerly-known-as-facebook. Pity.
- bqmjjx0kac 3y agoThere should be a higher bar for company names than co-opting a dictionary word or even just a letter. The lack of originality seems to be accelerating: first "Alphabet", then "Meta", and now "X"? (Honorable mention for "Apple".)
- nocoiner 3y agoBut Apple has been named Apple for, what, five decades? And besides, “Apple Computer Corp.” was surely better than “Computronics Inc.” or whatever was in vogue at that time.
- earthboundkid 3y agoJust think of what Steve Job would have called his next computer company…
- LeoPanthera 3y agoI don't know how true this is, but the story was always that the Steves chose "Apple" because it was ahead of "Atari" in the phone book. I hope it's true. But these things often turn out to be myths.
- hsjqllzlfkf 3y agoYou have only control over yourself. I will never call this anything but Twitter, same way I've never called Facebook and Google anything else.
- pfannkuchen 3y agoTo be fair, Google didn’t change its name like the others. Some subsidiaries that used to be under Google just moved out into a parent umbrella company. Google still exists and contains basically all of the products it used to, and none of the branding changed.
- hn1986 3y agoI think it's time for news organizations to boycott Twitter now
- zzzeek 3y agoHaven't seen any of the "Musk is a free speech absolutist!" stans in awhile here, can't they come back ? We could all use the laugh
- blarnopre 3y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37142000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37142000
- thomasfromcdnjs 3y agoI said nothing about whether I like Elon as a person or not.
- javajosh 3y agoI think once a pattern of behavior is established, this should reasonably inform your interpretation of their behavior. This is the "Boy who cried wolf" lesson. So, if someone lies a bunch, and they say something, it makes sense to ignore it. If you don't keep score, you'll be pilloried. If someone makes unethical moves (like taking peoples twitter handles or boosting alt-right memes), it makes sense to assume that unethical behavior is more likely in the future. The reason people get angry with you is that you don't maintain the same "reputation score" in your head within the brackets they find acceptable. That is, I allow for variation in perception to some degree, but if at a certain point someone says something really admiring of someone who's proven to be wholly untrustworthy or destructive over and over again, as a matter of public record, I start to judge that person as unreliable and lacking in judgement. This often comes out as anger, I think because it's a simple way to use our social emotional brain to "keep score". (This is particularly applicable for individuals and individual actions; it's more difficult to apply this rule for groups. For example, do you have great faith in "academia"? This may or may not be acceptable to me, depending on your definition and your knowledge.)
- thomasfromcdnjs 3y agoThat is a beautiful standalone comment about human nature.
- joe_guy 3y agoDirect link to the article https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/15/twitter-x-links-delayed/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/15/twitter... Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37136858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37136858
- dang 3y agoThanks! Macroexpanded: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37130060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37130060 - Aug 2023 (337 comments) Elon Musk’s X is throttling traffic to news and websites he dislikes - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37136858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37136858 - Aug 2023 (74 comments)
- icantbebothered 3y agoSo tired of him. So tired.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoPosting here might not be helping.
- icantbebothered 3y ago[flagged]
- _8j50 3y agoI feel like people just don't know how to deal with trollish people like elon or trump, best you can do is ignore them and they lose the one thing they live for: attention.
- javajosh 3y agoThe calculus changes for someone like Musk, who is not a troll to a large fraction of the population. In that case, it's beneficial to post something like the GGP because it signals to other people two things: first, you're not alone in disliking this person. Second, it's okay to express that opinion. That second one is important since there is a fine line between ignoring something you don't like and self-censorship out of fear of reprisal. So, while I agree that you should ignore nobody trolls, I DO NOT think you should ignore famous, politically/economically relevant trolls. It's an act that comes with some risk, and is therefore courageous and admirable.
- happytoexplain 3y agoI agree with the notion of what you're saying, and I usually make a pretty strong point of avoiding this topic, but a counterpoint can really only be so obvious before I can no longer avoid stating it: Trump was the president. It's not really unreasonable to not "ignore" a person when they are the individual elected by the people of your nation as their representative.
- kitanata 3y ago[flagged]
- thomasfromcdnjs 3y agoCan anyone actually provide any proof that this was an intentional/nefarious "throttle" by X. Using ten domains as an example is not evidence. Did anyone check the millions of sites on the internet? How do you know there were not lots of sites Elon "likes" that were being throttled? Did anyone test more than 100 domains? This could have easily been a bug. e.g. a bug that was happening temporarily because an in memory cache was breaking for certain indexes. Oh well, people like casting stones — personally I am going to wait for more of the facts. (Note: I haven't said whether I like Elon or not) (Edit: If my post is so disagreeable, I would love if someone could take the time to give me a short reply as to why)
- timack 3y agoI'm never sure about applying Hanlon's razor to Musk.
- function_seven 3y agoI'm trying to make Hanlon's Shaving Brush a thing. Join me! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37042495 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37042495 (Open Item: A shorter name)
- anigbrowl 3y agoGish gallops are extremely unbecoming.
- javajosh 3y agoFor those who didn't know (like me) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop Also, lol
- thomasfromcdnjs 3y agoI feel like my questions are pretty rational and not exactly hard to answer if there were any data. All I've seen is between 10-20 websites were tested by HN users. And a whole lot of "inference" based off that.
- bawolff 3y agoThis feels like it is bordering on anticompetitive behaviour. Or is twitter not enough of a monopoly for that to matter?
- harry8 3y agoAre links to substack still being shadowbanned on twitter? I think all this no freedom of reach or whatever anyone calls it, done by anyone, would be a lot easier to stomach if the settings and effect were completely public rather than secret.
- chris_wot 3y agoJust don't use Twitter. Or X. Or whatever it is called now.
- hsjqllzlfkf 3y agoHe's doing it for the freedom of speech guys.
- decremental 3y ago[dead]
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago...and it may never have been a nefarious thing but a bug related to cookies or SSL activity on links and a myriad of other complicated things. Yes, Elon sucks but unsubstantiated nonsense that shouldn't have gotten beyond that HN post.
- appplication 3y agoIf that were the case, it would be very appropriate for them to publicly acknowledge this with a root cause. I don’t give them such benefit of the doubt because occams razor in this case is that the company has a vindictive and childish billionaire at the helm, with a history of prioritizing edgy and spiteful actions.
- ChrisArchitect 3y agoFair enough yeah, I know he doesn't care about what ppl think, but would love to hear a proper explanation. I couldn't even duplicate it for multiple NYT links on the site (last night). People were jumping to conclusions based on personal tests etc. Anyways, usual sh*tshow all around, just kind of wary/embarassing to see it jump out of a random Tell HN: thread on here to news sites.
- decremental 3y ago[dead]
- lockhouse 3y agoIt's funny, the HN crowd has gotten all up in arms about this, which even if true is merely childish and annoying. However, when the previous management blocked the New York Post for daring to break the story on Hunter Biden's laptop, that was apparently okay. Instead of downvoting me this time, I would appreciate some discussion of how the alleged throttling is somehow so much worse than the actual censorship of an important news story about blatant corruption and multiple criminal acts by a politician's son that abused his father's position of privilege for personal gain.
- gettodachoppa 3y ago[flagged]
- timeon 3y agoCan you elaborate?
- gettodachoppa 3y agoIt's what every single Twitter/Musk related post ends up being on HN: "Elon Musk bad", then pointless arguing and moral grandstanding.
- archo 3y agoTwitter post archive: https://archive.is/PW3eG https://archive.is/PW3eG