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I wish they took the French and German (and elsewhere approach) where they use some of the revenue to identify the driver and fine them + penalize their license

I wish they took the French and German (and elsewhere approach) where they use some of the revenue to identify the driver and fine them + penalize their license. If you just send the ticket to whomever is the easiest to target (regardless of guilt), then it’s more about revenue than safety.

gretch 3y ago
> I wish they took the French and German (and elsewhere approach) where they use some of the revenue to identify the driver and fine them + penalize their license. I don't think this is really necessary if implemented in california. Here, with the driving culture we have, the driver is going to be 99.9% the owner of the vehicle or their spouse. If it's a rental car, just charge the rental company and they'll pass it to whoever was renting at the time. No need to have some kind of investigation that ends the same way each time.
lukas099 3y ago
> If you just send the ticket to whomever is the easiest to target (regardless of guilt), then it’s more about revenue than safety. If you lend your car to someone, you are taking responsibility for the way they drive that car. If you can't do that, you shouldn't lend them your car.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  > If you lend your ____ to someone, you are taking responsibility No I’m not, they are.
  - lukas099 3y ago
    You should not lend a car to somebody that you cannot trust to act responsibly with it.
autoexec 3y ago
> I wish they took the French and German (and elsewhere approach) where they use some of the revenue to identify the driver and fine them + penalize their license. I also hope California takes the French and German approach (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472) (http://thenewspaper.com/news/29/2975.asp http://thenewspaper.com/news/29/2975.asp)
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  Heh, yellow vests in every car accessible to the driver. When I heard that was a requirement in Europe, I bought one for my trip there and keep one in my American car now. What a fantastic idea I thought. Should be a requirement in North America too, given our unreliable vehicles and expanses of unlit roads. But thanks to the French making it a protest tool, I don’t see it ever happening.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    Not a terrible idea at all to have a high vis jacket in your car in the US. They can be non-yellow if we want to avoid the association. If we're picking up good ideas from other countries I think North America could benefit from requiring Koreisha marks ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōreisha_mark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōreisha_mark) too.

gretch 3y ago

> I wish they took the French and German (and elsewhere approach) where they use some of the revenue to identify the driver and fine them + penalize their license. I don't think this is really necessary if implemented in california. Here, with the driving culture we have, the driver is going to be 99.9% the owner of the vehicle or their spouse. If it's a rental car, just charge the rental company and they'll pass it to whoever was renting at the time. No need to have some kind of investigation that ends the same way each time.

lukas099 3y ago

> If you just send the ticket to whomever is the easiest to target (regardless of guilt), then it’s more about revenue than safety. If you lend your car to someone, you are taking responsibility for the way they drive that car. If you can't do that, you shouldn't lend them your car.

Scoundreller 3y ago
> If you lend your ____ to someone, you are taking responsibility No I’m not, they are.
- lukas099 3y ago
  You should not lend a car to somebody that you cannot trust to act responsibly with it.

autoexec 3y ago

> I wish they took the French and German (and elsewhere approach) where they use some of the revenue to identify the driver and fine them + penalize their license. I also hope California takes the French and German approach (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472) (http://thenewspaper.com/news/29/2975.asp http://thenewspaper.com/news/29/2975.asp)

Scoundreller 3y ago
Heh, yellow vests in every car accessible to the driver. When I heard that was a requirement in Europe, I bought one for my trip there and keep one in my American car now. What a fantastic idea I thought. Should be a requirement in North America too, given our unreliable vehicles and expanses of unlit roads. But thanks to the French making it a protest tool, I don’t see it ever happening.
- autoexec 3y ago
  Not a terrible idea at all to have a high vis jacket in your car in the US. They can be non-yellow if we want to avoid the association. If we're picking up good ideas from other countries I think North America could benefit from requiring Koreisha marks ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōreisha_mark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōreisha_mark) too.