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For me as an anarcho-communist, the problem with religion isn't believing in something supernatural per se, it's the fact that organised religion is just anothe

For me as an anarcho-communist, the problem with religion isn't believing in something supernatural per se, it's the fact that organised religion is just another hierarchical apparatus (like the state) which gives some people power over others. Christian anarchism is quite an influential strain for example, and I'm sure the other major religions probably have groups with similar ideas. So I don't think ending religion would be a specific goal, not for me anyway. Of course, if someone starts some cult somewhere or starts telling people some god said they should be in charge well then that's a problem, but I think that goes beyond the specifics of religion. It always comes back to hierarchies in my opinion. Whether it's racism, sexism, organised religion, capitalism, or whatever–the root of the problem is one group of people having power over others.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
In such a future, what do you do, then, with people who actually want hierarchies? The most important virtue for a monastic, for example, is obedience, and myriads of people deliberately seek out that lifestyle.
- orwin 3y ago
  You can have hierarchies without great power imbalance. That's how the Makhnovstina or the POUM organized.
- bilvar 3y ago
  Well as Marx stated, whoever doesn't have the proletariat mentality should be exterminated. The practical problem (of course apart from the moral for the rest of us who are not Marxists) is, how do you exterminate a group of people without a state? That's why anarcho-Communism/Marxism is an oxymoron, collectivism needs someone to dictate and organize the collective action, it cannot be stateless.
  - vidarh 3y ago
    > Well as Marx stated, whoever doesn't have the proletariat mentality should be exterminated. Citation? Multiple searches turned up nothing like this for me. > That's why anarcho-Communism/Marxism is an oxymoron, collectivism needs someone to dictate and organize the collective action, it cannot be stateless. This presumes "collectivism", but many forms of socialism sees enabling extreme individualism as the goal. E.g libertarianism was founded by the anarcho-communist Joseph Dejacque
    - bilvar 3y ago
      Look this quote up: "Far from opposing the so-called excesses – instances of popular vengeance against hated individuals or against public buildings with which hateful memories are associated – the workers’ party must not only tolerate these actions but must even give them direction."
  - randomdata 3y ago
    > how do you exterminate a group of people without a state? Communism, and thus the state being left behind, cannot happen until post-scarcity is achieved. Once post-scarcity is realized, why would you care if some still hold that mentality? They are only considered to be a hinderance in the days leading up to post-scarcity becoming a reality and during that time there is still a state.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

In such a future, what do you do, then, with people who actually want hierarchies? The most important virtue for a monastic, for example, is obedience, and myriads of people deliberately seek out that lifestyle.

orwin 3y ago
You can have hierarchies without great power imbalance. That's how the Makhnovstina or the POUM organized.
bilvar 3y ago
Well as Marx stated, whoever doesn't have the proletariat mentality should be exterminated. The practical problem (of course apart from the moral for the rest of us who are not Marxists) is, how do you exterminate a group of people without a state? That's why anarcho-Communism/Marxism is an oxymoron, collectivism needs someone to dictate and organize the collective action, it cannot be stateless.
- vidarh 3y ago
  > Well as Marx stated, whoever doesn't have the proletariat mentality should be exterminated. Citation? Multiple searches turned up nothing like this for me. > That's why anarcho-Communism/Marxism is an oxymoron, collectivism needs someone to dictate and organize the collective action, it cannot be stateless. This presumes "collectivism", but many forms of socialism sees enabling extreme individualism as the goal. E.g libertarianism was founded by the anarcho-communist Joseph Dejacque
  - bilvar 3y ago
    Look this quote up: "Far from opposing the so-called excesses – instances of popular vengeance against hated individuals or against public buildings with which hateful memories are associated – the workers’ party must not only tolerate these actions but must even give them direction."
- randomdata 3y ago
  > how do you exterminate a group of people without a state? Communism, and thus the state being left behind, cannot happen until post-scarcity is achieved. Once post-scarcity is realized, why would you care if some still hold that mentality? They are only considered to be a hinderance in the days leading up to post-scarcity becoming a reality and during that time there is still a state.